great oneFuckin' hell tufters, good work!
145 facebook members already!
*faints*
Link to the facebook page pls?
If it's been posted I missed it.
will try sort a workaround ASAPFacebook page needs to be public tufty wufty.
bloody hell!I'm going to break with my refusenik status and sign up.
MOSTLY unwilling people on my friends list who've not had chance to delete themselves yetFuckin' hell tufters, good work!
145 facebook members already!
*faints*
Have contacted the Unemployed Workers Union on Facebook. IWW and TUC next.
Have dropped a line to the IWW and contacted the TUC blog (who are following me on Twitter *strut*).
Good work. The Big Society in action. Though maybe not quite how Ian Duncan Smith imagined it.
I always thought that sort of thing they were allowed to make exceptions for 'moral reasons'. Actually, they probably are meant to, but none of the staff either know or care about it. If he had a religion behind him there would be no chance of them forcing it.my mate has been threatened with a sanction for not applying for 2 jobs -
one is in an abbatoir (he's a veggie!)
the other starts at 6am , 15 miles away - no buses can get him there for this time. When he said that, Pauline's Pens said "get a taxi"
so on a minimum wage of £220 my mate is expected to get 5 taxis x £15 and pay 5 x £5 return journey on the bus !!
what planet do these Tory cunts live on?
Christ i'm tired, been a busy old day, shot a couple of Jews trying to escape, set the dogs on a few gypsies and tortured a few mental health inmates..... Life is tiring as a concentration camp guard.... Oh well, better get on with gassing a few jews and commies..... Bit of luck throw a few cripples in there too......
The anger from ALL needs to be harnessed.
Right some more points, still haven't woken up properly yet after a long and much needed sleep so please excuse any incoherence (or if you rip the piss with it just be gentle please).
This seems to have completely taken off already, well done folks, especially tufty79. Tbh I've had a busy weekend planned with other stuff so was originally going to just brainstorm over the weekend with others who had already contacted me, and start trying to organise the practicalities on Monday. But, fuck it why wait eh ?
Which brings me on to my first point. Autonomy and political neutrality. There's a lot of people out there affected by this. Angry people. That anger needs to be harnessed in a positive way. Not all these people will fall within the same sides of the political spectrum. They're angry about their personal circumstances, not with the tories etc. Regardless their anger is still valid and needs to be used in the right way. There are a lot of Jobcentres across the country that need picketing. I personally believe that this group/movement needs to be be as politically neutral as possible to encourage the wide participation that will be needed. Is this even possible ? Thoughts needed peeps...
Would accepting donations towards costs from other political groups cause problems ? I have concerns about hijacking from others with agendas. That's not what this is all about imo.
Maybe it would be best to stick to purely being a resource for people to turn up, be given facts about how they are being screwed over and able to download simple leaflets explaining their rights about sanctions etc and how to deal with them and make valid appeals. Also be a distribution resource for posters and flyers they could use to raise awareness of these targeted sanctions.
There is a universal anger out there towards this and it needs to be as inclusive as possible and harnessed in the right way, regardless of one's personal political beliefs.
Possible legal ramifications? The jobcentres aren't exactly going to be happy about this are they ? Would we need someone legal to look over what we are distributing to avoid libel etc ?
Which brings me on to my next point. Anonymity. What if there were any legal comebacks, or aggro from angry people/security services ? Personally I value my anonymity to an extent and was going to set up new facebook/twitter/urban accounts in order to preserve that, but seems like it's a bit late for that now. I don't even own any ID atm ffs so I don't think being treasurer etc of anything is going to be practical for me.
I see anonymous as a good model for stuff like this. What can be learnt from them and the way they operate ?
DWP staff. Very important that there are no attacks on front line DWP staff. It's important. Yes, I've changed my tone somewhat since yesterday, I know. We need the good ones onside. How can we benefit (excuse the pun) each other ? Solidarity is needed to an extent in both directions.
I've loads more to add to this but have to go out briefly.
More later....
ps. All feedback appreciated. Even if it's just "STFU Drew!!!" I realise some of this has probably been discussed earlier in the thread but I'm pretty rushed today and haven't read it all in detail.
Back soon.
Section 68 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (CJA) defines the offence as follows:
A person commits aggravated trespass if he trespasses on land with the intention of disrupting, or intimidating those taking part in, lawful activity taking place on that or adjacent land.
Points to Note
* The offence was introduced in 1994 to deal with the problem caused to bloodsports enthusiasts by hunt saboteurs. However it has been widely used against other animal rights activists and road protestors as well.
* Section 59 of the Anti-Social Behaviour Bill has amended Section 68 of the CJA, so that now aggravated trespass can occur inside as well as outside buildings. This amendment was introduced after intensive lobbying of the government by the police and the pharmaceutical industry to give them new powers to deal with office occupations by animal rights activists and others. Previously the police only had the power to remove such protestors from the building or to arrest them for breach of the peace – now they have a specific power of arrest to deal with the trespass itself.
* The law states that you cannot commit the offence from a public highway, but you may commit the offence from a public footpath or bridleway. This is because the right to use such footpaths and bridleways generally extends only to the right of passage along them. Any other act can amount to trespass.
* Aggravated trespass carries a maximum sentence of three months imprisonment or a fine. It is not an “arrestable offence”, but the act confers a statutory power of arrest on an officer in uniform who suspects you of committing the offence.
* The Crown Prosecution Service have not been keen on the offence, as they have to show that the accused intended the offence – often difficult to prove in law. The police used it extensively at the start of the Newchurch campaign and failed to secure a single conviction! However now that the power can be used to deal with office occupations, protestors can expect it to be used far more widely.
* Intending something to happen is not the same as wanting it to happen. If the prosecution can show, for example, that you knew that an occupation would disrupt activity within the office, then this will be enough to show that you intended it, regardless of whether you in fact wanted or desired the disruption.
* ð You cannot be prosecuted for aggravated trespass where no actual activity is taking place to disrupt. The High Court has ruled that Section 68 CJA created a public order offence designed to deal with people disrupting persons actually engaged in lawful activity. Section 68 cannot, therefore, be used against activists, for example, who set off unattended badger traps, thus preventing the badger from entering the trap.
http://www.freebeagles.org/articles/legal_booklet_v3.html#14
CJA and trespass (for activists):
If anyone knows this to be wrong or incomplete, please correct!