Jim Murphy is new Scottish Labour leader.

[weepiper]

He's trying to out-nat the Nats. And yes, it's calculated to appeal to the SDL Rangers fan Jimmy Union types.

 

[articul8]

This new constitution bollocks is dreadful. We are a patriotic party inspired by Burns' poetry... Why not just say we drink Irn Bru and listen to the Proclaimers.

 

[Pickman's model]

he's a wanker's wanker - met him when he was scottish nus president and nus president. he was a tosser then and he's a tosser now.

 

[articul8]

All NUS presidents are wankers. It's in the job description

 

[xslavearcx]

He's trying to out-nat the Nats. And yes, it's calculated to appeal to the SDL Rangers fan Jimmy Union types.

Ironic that the chat is all about endevouring to reconnect with the average person whilst this attempt to appeal to yes voters is utilising an ethnic form of nationalism that doesnt seem to correlate with anything the yes campaign or yes voters were about

 

[Celyn]

Will, the vacuum in Scottish Labour wasn't at the top. There's only a top.

Nothing. The party has atrophied. It can staff a stall in the middle class West End of Glasgow, but it can't staff a stall in Drumchapel or Sighthill.

Holy shit, here's someone who has even heard of Sighthill. (Famous for being home of the wonderful Celyn. Or, in fact, not famous at all.)


Your point is valid about the general uselessness of the Labour Party, but there is still much inertia, and when the Labour Party is in charge of the council such that people can be convinced that anything other than Labour will cause plague and famine and horror and pestilence to stalk the land, it's hard to know how things can be changed.

 

[Quartz]

The Guardian is reporting that Murphy is pro-nuclear which is a big point in his favour.

 

[Lo Siento.]

The Guardian is reporting that Murphy is pro-nuclear which is a big point in his favour.

Of course. Why spend money fixing actual problems when we could spend it fighting our corner in the imaginary future apocalypse.

 

[articul8]

The Guardian is reporting that Murphy is pro-nuclear which is a big point in his favour.

is it?

 

[danny la rouge]

is it?

No.

 

[William of Walworth]

danny la rouge : Just digesting your earlier post atm ...

Will read that linked article in that later post of yours when I'm less knackered (this was a night in ) but I was doing a bunch of boring domestic stuff this eve ....

All pretty interesting though.

 

[weepiper]

*snort*

 

[danny la rouge]

Has anyone got an electronic version of Carolyn Leckie's piece in yesterday's National?

 

[Celyn]

Yes, but I don't know how to make it sendable.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Has anyone got an electronic version of Carolyn Leckie's piece in yesterday's National?

Here.

 

[Frankie Jack]

All issues.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Just the Leckie article.

 

[Celyn]

Good! I've been trying to work out how to send it and I just keep getting really muddled. More coffee needed

 

[danny la rouge]

Here.

I'm not on Facebook, so that doesn't work for me. But the PDF should do the trick. I though William of Walworth might appreciate it.

 

[Frankie Jack]

I'm not on Facebook, so that doesn't work for me. But the PDF should do the trick. I though William of Walworth might appreciate it.

No probs. Took a few minutes to get the single article page and wasn't sure it would upload.

 

[danny la rouge]

Cheers Frankie Jack

 

[Frankie Jack]

Forced myself to get them up on Google Drive. Been meaning to do that but couldn't find the 'be arsed'. Odd naming of files to get them in a quick semblance of order.

Here.

 

[nino_savatte]

Murphy's speech to the HJS. Fill yer boots.
http://www.jimmurphymp.com/news-room/Speeches/news.aspx?p=1041364

 

[articul8]

God. The HJS are a bunch of neocon loons.

 

[articul8]

It was Henry Jackson who said: "... the best politics is no politics.'

 

[xslavearcx]

Murphy's speech to the HJS. Fill yer boots.
http://www.jimmurphymp.com/news-room/Speeches/news.aspx?p=1041364

Even if neoconism is your thing, the tone of the speach is about as safe and banal as you'd expect from a crappy newlabour character such as jim murphy.

 

[nino_savatte]

Henry 'Scoop' Jackson according to Wikipedia.

Opponents derided him as "the Senator from Boeing"[11] and a "whore for Boeing"[12] because of his consistent support for additional military spending on weapons systems and accusations of wrongful contributions from the company; in 1965, eighty percent of Boeing's contracts were military
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Jackson

It seems to me that Murphy, being a supporter of Trident, is in the right (no pun intended) company.

 

[xslavearcx]

This could be the end for Scottish Labour. wouldn't rule out Unite in Scotland disaffiliating

With Neil Findlay being given the fair work brief in Murphy's shadow cabinet, will this help keep unions on side in scotland do you think?

 

[articul8]

With Neil Findlay being given the fair work brief in Murphy's shadow cabinet, will this help keep unions on side in scotland do you think?

I think they'll stay until this side of the GE - and have a leadership contest if they do badly and he won't resign.

 

[geminisnake]

Is the NUS stuff and Henry Jackson Society membership common knowledge though? Or do people just see him as that twat with the crates of Irn-Bru?

Might not be all over MSM but IS all over social media/the web, the more people that know the more can tell those not online. Been seeing it for about 2 weeks now. Think William is right about over predicting Labour's demise. I think their vote share/no of MPs will drop but not a wipeout unfortunately.