Jews stoned in East End (again)

[durruti02]

Your ad homs have no effect on me. They just make you look desparate.

This boils down to just one question - If you agree it was not anti-semitic what grounds do you have for attacking your political enemies over it?

you really do not understand do you? how the SWP/Respect have behaved in this area .. and disgracefully you ignore what i have actually said .. and you still ( digging your grave deeper ) can not see that it does not matter whether it is anti semitic or not or not, re my post, which said simply

" .. i think some people have rightly questionned that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested .."

all this abuse for what is a pretty uncontroversial comment tbh .. i have not said the left do not care about jews or that the left ignored this or that they supported this but simply " .. that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested .." .. "more interested" .. hey real antagonistic hard core comments from Mr Durruti! LOL

to repeat, you ask "If you agree it was not anti-semitic what grounds do you have for attacking your political enemies over it?" .. and the incredible simple answer, which i have already given to you 2 or 3 times now, is that it is Whitechapel context, of the lies, hypocrisy, dishonesty, piety and cant of the SWP/Respect

i hope you can now see this, and please note tony greensteins comments .. my position is pretty general down here re the SWP and its courting of the Bengali middle class

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

judophobic

wait check that



it really seems to be taking off

ooo the child can use google good good... now if you reffer to a dictionary then we might be on to something...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So you still think im a racist cretin?

But you still cant get around to saying who im racist against?

Seems a bit silly Garf.
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PS Durruti...It is you who works for mossad,not me.

try reading
1)muslims must hate jews in this instance... your perception is rather black and white and negates a lot of the shades of grey and the historical significance
2) The concept that because they are catigory A) they will therefore default hate Group B) and will be willing to exorcise that...

sorry genuinely didn't see it...

your racist assumption really.

The concept that because they are catigory A) they will therefore default hate Group B) and will be willing to exorcise that...

muslims must hate jews in this instance... your perception is rather black and white and negates a lot of the shades of grey and the historical significance

I tink it's patently apparent you are hoping that your bleating of your question going unanswered when infact it has been explained to you twice is a diversionary tactic and an attempt to wriggle out of your use of racist terminology...

why don't you explain to me what it is you don't get from these explainations

 

[invisibleplanet]

you seem to know about the jewish maternity hospital so i am suprised you seem ignorent of the attitude of jewish radicals in the first half of the last century .. they didn't court the rabbis like the craven hypocritical SWP .. they attacked the established relegion and relegious leader, on paper in e.g. the Arbeiter Freint, and and in practice on the streets .. they held ( blasphamous) shabbat pickets and 'parties' outside the synagoges .. they ridiculed and attacked rabbis for their wealth and control of the community .. all at a time when yes there was widespread opposition to Jewish migration!!

I do know about the history of Britain's fine Jewish Socialist tradition - but you make a great mistake because it's not particularly relevant to this thread. Your introduced snipe at the left via SWP/Respect etc is a red herring to this situation - it's one of your pet gripes, having nothing to do with what we're discussing.

Jews express their Jewish identity in different ways. Sometimes communal leadership needs to be challenged, especially when communal leaders attempt to limit Jewish identity to either purely religion, or purely zionist. Sometimes communal leaders need to be challenged if they attempt to exclude people from participation in community life on political, gender or sexual grounds.

My mentioning the Jewish Maternity Home was not purely due to religion - it was because the attack happened there - and as a leftist, I respect the requirement of for expression of religious, cultural and secular heritage - even in the orthodox - however this does not exclude constructive criticism or observations that might have relevance to today's issues. For example, all studies on the quality of aftercare and infant mortality prove that communal-after-care such as was experienced by w/c Jewish mothers at the Jewish Maternity home was by far and wide superior to British maternity aftercare, and is still superior today - without a shadow of a doubt. It's important to also mention that this religious and cultural requirement is also shared by orthodox Muslims, and I respect that requirement, and see that some cross-cultural exchange might go some way to improving traditional (protestant) British Maternity care.

 

[Wolveryeti]

A stoned jew last week: (possibly in the East end)

 

[Spion]

you really do not understand do you? how the SWP/Respect have behaved in this area .. and disgracefully you ignore what i have actually said .. and you still ( digging your grave deeper ) can not see that it does not matter whether it is anti semitic or not or not, re my post, which said simply

" .. i think some people have rightly questionned that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested .."

all this abuse for what is a pretty uncontroversial comment tbh .. i have not said the left do not care about jews or that the left ignored this or that they supported this but simply " .. that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested .." .. "more interested" .. hey real antagonistic hard core comments from Mr Durruti! LOL

to repeat, you ask "If you agree it was not anti-semitic what grounds do you have for attacking your political enemies over it?" .. and the incredible simple answer, which i have already given to you 2 or 3 times now, is that it is Whitechapel context, of the lies, hypocrisy, dishonesty, piety and cant of the SWP/Respect

i hope you can now see this, and please note tony greensteins comments .. my position is pretty general down here re the SWP and its courting of the Bengali middle class

So, fundamentally, you don't deny a) you used the issue to have a go at your political enemies on no grounds whatsoever as far as the original newspaper article is concerned and b) using no new evidence brought by you to show SWP/Respect action or inaction over this case or any other?

Thanks, That what IP accused you of and that I echoed.

I have a firm dislike of the SWP, but I see no point in inventing things to have a go at them about or to latch onto sordid issues like this.

If you want to have a go at them do so, but bring some evidence instead of shooting your mouth off dishonestly and responding to JHE's dog-whistle sectariana

 

[invisibleplanet]

He has one of the best Jew-fro's I've ever seen.

 

[smokedout]

ooo the child can use google good good... now if you reffer to a dictionary then we might be on to something...

Results

judophobic was not found in the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary

merrium websters
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.

in the free online dictionary i got this

Word not found in the Dictionary and Encyclopedia. Did you mean:
Judophobia

so i tried it and it said

Antisemitism
(redirected from Judophobia)

 

[invisibleplanet]

Judophobia - fear of Judo
Judeophobia - fear of Judaism/Jews

 

[nino_savatte]

Judophobia - fear of Judo

 

[Spion]

Judophobia - fear of Judo
Judeophobia - fear of Judaism/Jews

LOL


is there also a term for fear of judo-expert jews?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Judophobia - fear of Judo
Judeophobia - fear of Judaism/Jews

Grrr!

Anyone know what's the best thing to use to clean choked-out chewed peanut butter sandwich from a monitor?

 

[ViolentPanda]

LOL


is there also a term for fear of judo-expert jews?

NinJewtsuphobia?

 

[northernhord]

A fuckin appalling disgrace to say the least.

 

[Belushi]

So was any evidence produced that these people were stoned for being Jewish in the end?

 

[tbaldwin]

I tink it's patently apparent you are hoping that your bleating of your question going unanswered when infact it has been explained to you twice is a diversionary tactic and an attempt to wriggle out of your use of racist terminology...

why don't you explain to me what it is you don't get from these explainations

You seem to have shifted from calling me a racist cretin to saying i used racist terminology.

But you havent said who you think im racist against or what racist terminology?

So once again. Who do you think im racist against? And what racist terminology have i used?

 

[tbaldwin]

So was any evidence produced that these people were stoned for being Jewish in the end?

Did you not read the link?

Tower Hamlets' newly-appointed senior police officer responsible for youth involvement, Ins Paul Sloan, is treating the incident as "an anti-Semitic attack and as a 'race hate' crime."

He said: "The injured woman certainly felt it was anti-Semitic because she's Jewish and the attack was motivated by the fact a lot of Jews were present.

"We're keen to work with the organiser to stop this happening again.

In cases like this some people have a vested interest in talking up the racial element and some have a vested interest in dismissing it.
It was much the same when rolan adams,rohit duggal and steven lawrence were murdered in the 90s.

 

[nino_savatte]

The East London Advertiser.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Did you not read the link?

Tower Hamlets' newly-appointed senior police officer responsible for youth involvement, Ins Paul Sloan, is treating the incident as "an anti-Semitic attack and as a 'race hate' crime."

He said: "The injured woman certainly felt it was anti-Semitic because she's Jewish and the attack was motivated by the fact a lot of Jews were present.

"We're keen to work with the organiser to stop this happening again.

In cases like this some people have a vested interest in talking up the racial element and some have a vested interest in dismissing it.
It was much the same when rolan adams,rohit duggal and steven lawrence were murdered in the 90s.

See, the key words there are "...felt it was anti-Semitic because she's Jewish and the attack was motivated by the fact a lot of Jews were present".

What she "felt" is al well and good, but we're still no closer to having EVIDENCE that this was an attack motivated by anti-Semitism than we were the day it happened, and evidence is what belushi asked about, not feelings.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It was much the same when rolan adams,rohit duggal and steven lawrence were murdered in the 90s.

No it isn't. It's nothing like those cases. Here the police have accepted a report of a "hate crime" and have acted accordingly (and all power to them for actually doing so. It's only taken them 100 years to take it seriously). In the cases you mentioned the racial element wasn't "ignored", it was deliberately underplayed, like it always has been.

 

[tbaldwin]

See, the key words there are "...felt it was anti-Semitic because she's Jewish and the attack was motivated by the fact a lot of Jews were present".

What she "felt" is al well and good, but we're still no closer to having EVIDENCE that this was an attack motivated by anti-Semitism than we were the day it happened, and evidence is what belushi asked about, not feelings.

I think what they felt might be a little bit more important than what you feel, just for once.

The evidence points towards the possibility that they may have been motivated by anti semitism. But just as in the Steven Lawrence case nobdoy can prove beyond doubt that his murderers were purely motivated by race.

 

[Spion]

The evidence points towards the possibility that they may have been motivated by anti semitism.

Which evidence exactly, balders?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

"The evidence points towards the possibility"

Well yes, the evidence that it was a Jewish group points towards the possibility that it was an attack motivated by anti-semitism.

 

[durruti02]

I do know about the history of Britain's fine Jewish Socialist tradition - but you make a great mistake because it's not particularly relevant to this thread. Your introduced snipe at the left via SWP/Respect etc is a red herring to this situation - it's one of your pet gripes, having nothing to do with what we're discussing.

Jews express their Jewish identity in different ways. Sometimes communal leadership needs to be challenged, especially when communal leaders attempt to limit Jewish identity to either purely religion, or purely zionist. Sometimes communal leaders need to be challenged if they attempt to exclude people from participation in community life on political, gender or sexual grounds.

My mentioning the Jewish Maternity Home was not purely due to religion - it was because the attack happened there - and as a leftist, I respect the requirement of for expression of religious, cultural and secular heritage - even in the orthodox - however this does not exclude constructive criticism or observations that might have relevance to today's issues. For example, all studies on the quality of aftercare and infant mortality prove that communal-after-care such as was experienced by w/c Jewish mothers at the Jewish Maternity home was by far and wide superior to British maternity aftercare, and is still superior today - without a shadow of a doubt. It's important to also mention that this religious and cultural requirement is also shared by orthodox Muslims, and I respect that requirement, and see that some cross-cultural exchange might go some way to improving traditional (protestant) British Maternity care.

IP .. you make a snide smearing nasty attack on me for supposedly supporting islamophobia ( with no evidence ), of supportting conservative Judaism ( with no evidence) and accuse me of stating this was an anti semtic attack ( when i expressedly said i did not neccessaryly believe it so ) .. and yet when i show you, you are wrong on EVRYTHING you throw at me, you do not have the common decency to apologise .. yes we can disagree .. deeply .. but do not make up shit about me

to repeat, ALL i said was " .. i think some people have rightly questionned that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested .."

you say this is not relevent to a thread on 'Jews stoned in the East End again' .. it is entirely relevent as all anti social and racial attacks should ( as you agree ) be condemned

and in the context of the hypcritical bullshit left in this ( Respect/SWP represented) area this is ENTIRELY relevent and pertinent ..

and again the behaviour of the old jewish left/@s in this area ( which you did NOT appear to know ) IS, highly relevent, as it is totally differrent from the craven SWP and their courting of the bengali middle class ..

please do the right thing and admit you have got this/me wrong

( p.s you accuse me of irrelevence but the advantages of jewish and muslim maternity care well interesting is totally irrlevent here )

 

[durruti02]

So, fundamentally, you don't deny a) you used the issue to have a go at your political enemies on no grounds whatsoever as far as the original newspaper article is concerned and b) using no new evidence brought by you to show SWP/Respect action or inaction over this case or any other?

Thanks, That what IP accused you of and that I echoed.

I have a firm dislike of the SWP, but I see no point in inventing things to have a go at them about or to latch onto sordid issues like this.

If you want to have a go at them do so, but bring some evidence instead of shooting your mouth off dishonestly and responding to JHE's dog-whistle sectariana

LOL now you are further accusing me of things i have neither said nor done .. i simply said

" .. i think some people have rightly questionned that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested .."

do you really not believe the SWP respect work like this? that you do not accept that is always right to have a pop at the SWP for the disgusting way they have played the race card for so many years is just daft.. they have USED islamophobia to a disgusting extent that has racialised politics in this area .. did yo not bother reading Tony Greenstein? "The SWP..adopts all the terminology of the clericalist leaders of the Muslim communities (Islamaphobia etc.) rather than engage in class and anti-racist politics. But then that would also mean linking up with the white working class which has all but been abandoned to the BNP" .. it is in THIS context my small ironic statement makes absolute sense .. but whatever

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think what they felt might be a little bit more important than what you feel, just for once.

Ah, one of balders' patent attempts at having a dig.
Guess what, Captain Genius? I was talking about their perceptions.

The evidence points towards the possibility that they may have been motivated by anti semitism. But just as in the Steven Lawrence case nobdoy can prove beyond doubt that his murderers were purely motivated by race.

In other words, you've got a feeling that it was motivated by anti-Semitism, but you're dressing it up to make it look less dick-headed.

You lardy fucking plum.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Which evidence exactly, balders?

The evidence that it was felt to be an anti-Semitic attack, obviously!

 

[kenny g]

I don't do holocaust day, I do remembrance day. I thought we all did, it was the same war. I thought we all did the same day.

The holocaust wasn't only against Jews, is there a reach-out element?

I had a very interetsing visit to the Manchester Jewish museum last week, and was so relieved to see a celebration of Jewish culture that did not get obsessed about events 60 years ago. Fantastic.

 

[invisibleplanet]

I had a very interetsing visit to the Manchester Jewish museum last week, and was so relieved to see a celebration of Jewish culture that did not get obsessed about events 60 years ago. Fantastic.

If you want more of that, I recommend 'To Give Them Light - The Legacy of Roman Vishniac' and 'The Jewish World of Yesterday 1860-1938 by Rachel Salamander' - both contain important historical fotographs of Central and East European Jewish life.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

See, the key words there are "...felt it was anti-Semitic because she's Jewish and the attack was motivated by the fact a lot of Jews were present".

What she "felt" is al well and good, but we're still no closer to having EVIDENCE that this was an attack motivated by anti-Semitism than we were the day it happened, and evidence is what belushi asked about, not feelings.

Maybe groups of youths hide behind walls and shower passersby with rocks every day.