Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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hitmouse
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Bit of an odd question. In the context of a movement/issue that has seen endless, endless, draining arguments about antisemitism, I reckon it's probably better to be really careful about avoiding anything that could potentially be interpreted as an antisemitic stereotype, even if there's actually a perfectly innocent explanation once people are aware of the full context, rather than just relying on everybody being fair-minded, generous, and having access to all the context?
oh yeah, I hate them. But people do seem to like taking shitty inflatable versions of the politicians they hate to demos
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
I can’t see him in that photo
Was he in the same postcode, normally that’s enough
you daft cunt
cantsin
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not sure that what a white ( guessing ) westerner " cares " about when it comes to Arab activists ( which they were ) protesting against their hated despots is particularly high on anyone's list of concerns tbh champ...
Flail not a morning star isn't it?
Also a flail that will smash the user in the hand. I doubt it's authenticity.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i knew i should have paid more attention when i was last at the wallace collection
Shechemite
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you may think a bunch of angry young men marching in london chanting “remember (the massacre of) khyber, you Jews” is unconcerning, but we are back to seeing ourselves as others see us
eta ah fucks sake. Anyway ‘twas a video of angry young men chanting “khyber khyber ya yahud”
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cantsin
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sooooo... you're not going to pursue the ludicrous MBZ stuff ( understandably ). and just want to chuck in a completely unrelated non seqitur and claim " you may think .... is unconcerning "?
Huh ?
Be srs ffs, this is just daft
Shechemite
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It’s the same march cantsin. But yeah if you want to march with hook nosed mannequins and idiots chanting about killing Jews you go ahead
hitmouse
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I mean, I don't know who made it, I've never met them, so I can't really say what their concerns are. But if they're members of the Palestine solidarity movement in the UK (which seems like a reasonable assumption to make) and they have any concept of political responsibility, they probably should care about the context that movement has to exist in and navigate, which means that they should probably try to avoid doing stuff that could be used as a set-up for shitty bad faith attacks on that movement. Like, I'm not saying they're terrible people or anything, I'm just saying that if I was at a planning meeting and someone said "I've had a great idea, I reckon we should make some hook-nosed effigies", I would probably vote against that motion, in more or less any context?
Shechemite
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Ok here’s a useable video of that chanting.
would you want to be marching alongside these people cantsin?
would you want to be marching alongside these people cantsin?
Shechemite
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This is all very predictable.
Is that how protests work? Some sort of steering committee gets to to vote on what banners and that people are allowed to bring with them? Or are they actually a lot messier than that?
this is a really shit line of questioning. what answer are you expecting?
Shechemite
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after witnessing his posts on here and the Labour a/s thread honestly I don’t know whether he would be comfortable marching next to that chanting.
in any case it was a rhetorical question. I (and I’m not the only one here clearly) would like cantsin to think a little bit more
hitmouse
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As I understand it, how it works is that Jeremy Corbyn personally handcrafts every single sign, banner, and piece of tat. I wasn't saying that there was such a central committee meeting or whatever (although making something that big does seem to suggest a certain degree of organisation), just saying that the effigy doesn't seem like a good idea to me?
Pickman's model
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He oversees their production in sweatshops of the vilest kind hidden in the sub-basements of momentum members' dwellings
hitmouse
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I mean, it does raise a broader question, which is that for, say, non-Arabic speakers it can be difficult to tell the difference between a dodgy chant and a completely innocuous one. Like, if I heard that without having seen this thread first, I'm not sure if I'd realise there was anything dodgy going on there. Not the only thing I've had this problem with, I also struggle to tell the difference between fashy Polish football ultra stickers and non-fashy ones.
cantsin
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my main issue is that that it was just the kind of complete fabrication and lies that Kebabclown was merrily posting up on here a few hrs ago re: Corbyn that helped destroy him and Labour's electoral chances over 5 yrs, and seeing the exact same kind of b/s on here, the weekend after another 100 + Palestinians ( 30 + kids so far ? ) have been killed by the IDF, hit a v raw nerve
Shechemite
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The Israeli state is disgusting and idiots like you make it easier for them to get away with what they do. But you’re right and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is wrong.
cantsin
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it wasn't me that was "right " oh implaccable opponent of the Israeli State, it was the many people who pointed out to Pollard + Co that that effigy was MBZ ( who he seemed never to have heard of - no great surprise ) ...but the struggle continues eh
Flavour
hang the bankers
Why are you bringing my (presumed) race into this discussion and what difference does it make whether or not the people who had the hook-nosed/devil-horned effigy were Arab or not?
Were they citizens of the UAE or will any old Arab do for legitimizing this crass gesture?
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
It’s no fabrication that Corbyn has been way too close to stuff that has been employed to ruin his (and others) chances. I’d be delighted to hear he was keeping a safe distance now, but I somehow doubt it.
Let’s face it, the mannequin is well dodgy whoever it is supposed to be. Safely displayed 1000s of miles away, it’s not helping anyone suffering now.
hitmouse
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This is such a weird line of argument. "Isn't it terrible how Corbyn was stood near that dodgy effigy?" "Oh, was he stood near a dodgy effigy?" "I dunno, but he's stood near some other things in the past, might as well assume he must have been stood near it until proven otherwise."
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I wanted to stay out of this because frankly I have no horse in this race but this is the photo thats circulating with Corbyn next to the effigy.
Sadly, yes there really has.
Corbyn was in a crowd of (tens of?) thousands of people from all walks of life with diverse banners, placards, badges, and so on. Also some people with an effigy of an Arab leader.
Very many humans have been murdered, injured, re-traumatised, lost their homes, lost friends and family members, but here we are. Discussing a puppet. Apparently.
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