Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[brogdale]

no idea brogdale . What’s your erudite view?

eta I’m not down with this new board update

I'd just got the impression that zionists tended to regard anti-semitism as racism directed exclusively at Jews, rather than towards all of those speaking languages from the semitic family.

Prepared to be corrected if I've got that wrong, though.

 

[bimble]

Didn’t the stern gang advocate a Jewish-Arab Semitic alliance against the real enemy (the British)

Did they? I want to watch the film all about that.

 

[hitmouse]

Could be. As ever, it shows that the fuckwit has zero awareness of the sensitivies or that he's learned from past 'mistakes'.

That's the thing though isn't it - if I kept on dead-naming people, and misgendering them, it wouldn't take long before people rightly decided that they weren't genuine errors, but that I was a nasty transphobe.

What is it that Corbyn has done exactly? If you kept on dead-naming people and misgendering them, I'd think you were being a dick, if you were in a crowd of thousands of people along someone who had done that, and someone told me that I should be getting angry with you because of that, I'd think someone was trying to pull a fast one.

 

[Shechemite]

Antisemitism (no hyphen) is a German word - from a specific historical context - used to add a ‘scientific’ justification for not liking Jews.

 

[cantsin]

Yeah cantsin it’s still a stupid effigy

don't even bother sunshine - another 70 Palestinians civvies, 10's of kids , murdered over the weekend, and I'm going to debate whether an MBZ effigy is " stupid ",and whether Corbyn should have been on the same march as it with clueless muppets on here ? ...ffs

 

[hitmouse]

I'd just got the impression that zionists tended to regard anti-semitism as racism directed exclusively at Jews, rather than towards all of those speaking languages from the semitic family.

Prepared to be corrected if I've got that wrong, though.

I don't think that's just Zionists who have that objection, I think it's generally pretty unhelpful to get into "who are the real semites/antisemites, eh?"

 

[Shechemite]

Suit yourself cantsin But any hint of antisemitism on pro-Palestine stuff will be 1) off-putting to lots of potential allies and 2) picked up and weaponised to defend the Israeli state.

again, it’s about what you want to achieve

 

[cantsin]

Suit yourself cantsin But any hint of antisemitism on pro-Palestine stuff will be 1) off-putting to lots of potential allies and 2) picked up and weaponised to defend the Israeli state.

again, it’s about what you want to achieve

literally no idea what your on about now - wtf do you and Kebabtw*t think is ' anti semitic' about an MBZ effigy ?

 

[brogdale]

Antisemitism (no hyphen) is a German word - from a specific historical context - used to add a ‘scientific’ justification for not liking Jews.

Yes, always interesting to look at etymology.
A quick glance at Wiki tells me...

"The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816–1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how 'Semitic races' were inferior to 'Aryan races'".

With the "races" plural bit dating back to the 1770s Göttingen school of history based on 'scientific racism'.

 

[Shechemite]

Suit yourself cantsin But any hint of antisemitism on pro-Palestine stuff will be 1) off-putting to lots of potential allies and 2) picked up and weaponised to defend the Israeli state.

again, it’s about what you want to achieve

how is this unclear cantsin?

 

[brogdale]

I don't think that's just Zionists who have that objection, I think it's generally pretty unhelpful to get into "who are the real semites/antisemites, eh?"

Agreed, just that the inflatable does appear unhelpful.

 

[Shechemite]

Yes, always interesting to look at etymology.
A quick glance at Wiki tells me...

With the "races" plural bit dating back to the 1770s Göttingen school of history based on 'scientific racism'.

sometimes I think things were better before the enlightenment

 

[brogdale]

sometimes I think things were better before the enlightenment

From memory, my visit through the first 7 or 8 rooms at the Wannsee Villa would suggest otherwise.

 

[cantsin]

how is this unclear cantsin?

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has an MBZ effigy got to do with " any hint of antisemitism on pro-Palestine stuff " ????

 

[Shechemite]

ok Cantsin. Stick an effigy of non-European looking people with big noses and devil horns on all your marches. Tell us how it works out

 

[Shechemite]

Oh the gift that God could give us, to see ourselves as others see us.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh the gift that God could give us, to see ourselves as others see us.

be careful what you wish for

 

[Shechemite]

When you wish upon a morning star

 

[two sheds]

He stood next to this at the Palestine demo in London at the weekend

#worldsunluckiestlifelonganti-racist

have you got the photo with Corbyn standing next to it?

 

[Pickman's model]

When you wish upon a morning star

be careful it doesn't whack you in the face

 

[Shechemite]

Fortune favours the brave

 

[cantsin]

ok Cantsin. Stick an effigy of non-European looking people with big noses and devil horns on all your marches. Tell us how it works out

we know how it's worked out - a couple of bad faith jokers making asses of themselves on a much loved interweb forum left over from the noughties, and everyone else getting on with life

 

[Shechemite]

we know how it's worked out - a couple of bad faith jokers making asses of themselves on a much loved interweb forum left over from the noughties, and everyone else getting on with life

right, so what’s your issue then?

 

[Flavour]

I think effigies are generally shit

Effigies of non-white people in white majority countries, even on a pro-Palestine march, even if being made and held up by other Arabs, is still problematic. The devil horns and exaggerated features are just a bonus to make it absolutely clear it's a piece of crap

 

[IC3D]

Who is the effergy spost to be?

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Who is the effergy spost to be?

Some bloke called 'Cheugy' apparently. Or am I on the wrong thread?

 

[killer b]

I think effigies are generally shit

Effigies of non-white people in white majority countries, even on a pro-Palestine march, even if being made and held up by other Arabs, is still problematic. The devil horns and exaggerated features are just a bonus to make it absolutely clear it's a piece of crap

Why is it problematic if some arabs made and held up this particular effigy of an arab tyrant?

 

[cantsin]

Why is it problematic if some arabs made and held up this particular effigy of an arab tyrant?

It’s fecking baffling this stuff, honestly

 

[Flavour]

Why is it problematic if some arabs made and held up this particular effigy of an arab tyrant?

We don't know whether they were Arabs or not, who made and held up this effigy. But that's not even the point. The effigy is the effigy. I don't care who made it, it doesn't make it less shitty. Look at it! It's got a big fuck-off hooked nose and everything. And if it's UAE leader (UAE who famously began MUCH friendlier relations with Israel during Trump era) then it equates said UAE leader with pro-Israel/anti-Palestine sign. Which has a big hook nose. Lovely.

 

[killer b]

We don't know whether they were Arabs or not, who made and held up this effigy. But that's not even the point. The effigy is the effigy. I don't care who made it, it doesn't make it less shitty. Look at it! It's got a big fuck-off hooked nose and everything. And if it's UAE leader (UAE who famously began MUCH friendlier relations with Israel during Trump era) then it equates said UAE leader with pro-Israel/anti-Palestine sign. Which has a big hook nose. Lovely.

I know we don't know whether they were arabs or not - obv if it was made and held up by non-arabs it definitely would be problematic.

But if it's made and held up by arabs, it looks to me like it's just a recognisable caricature of an arab leader. The nose the effigy is sporting looks like an exaggerated version of the nose the guy himself has to me, like in every caricature ever.