Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[bellaozzydog]

Can we lay out specifically what Corbyn has been found guilty of?

can we also look at the number of complaints about labour anti semitism versus the number investigated, proven and disciplined

while you are there compare the numbers of complaints from the labour disciplinary process before and after Corbyn became leader

I’m a simple political creature and from my lowly position I think any poster who says the campaign against Corbyn is anything other than a political hatchet job either hasn’t looked at all the media/data surrounding it or is being disingenuous

 

[butchersapron]

You could have kerry anne mendoza appearing on holocaust denier hosting shows and this week moaning that jews think the holocaust was all about them. But you shouldn't need that, not this far down the road.

 

[LDC]

I think any poster who says the campaign against Corbyn is anything other than a political hatchet job either hasn’t looked at all the media/data surrounding it or is being disingenuous

Seriously?! Nothing to it at all? All a political hatchet job?

Have you read any of the Labour and anti-semitism thread?

 

[bimble]

 

[steveseagull]

It is quite a thing watching the optics left banging on about the Canary (who are regulated by Impress) but have no issues with Labour MPs queuing up to get interviewed by hate rags like the Daily Mail, the Telegraph, the Guardian and the Times.

I am not a fan of the Canary's writing style so do not read it that often but it is quite clear the Labour Liberal gatekeepers of acceptable titles has no issue with the hate spewed out by the above as these titles have been approved by the gate keepers.

The most stunning display of hypocrisy yesterday was Charlotte Nichols MP who had recently appeared on Tom Newton Dunn's Times Radio Show he was the guy who, last December, published a neo nazi hit list on Labour Party members sourced from the Ayran unity website.

Not to mention the leader of the Labour Party regularly appearing alongside a hardcore racist on LBC.

The hypocrisy and gaslighting is stunning.

 

[danny la rouge]

the optics left

Who are they?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Wait a minute, Starmer being a dick doesn’t excuse Corbyn from making the same mistake he’s spent years being criticised for. Yet again.

Sir Cop Starmer is by definition wrong. That doesn’t let Corbyn off the hook for hanging out with antisemitic conspiracy twats.

So being interviewed by now equates to hanging out with?

Also, do you think KAM's Jewish wife knows she's married to an 'antisemitic conspiracy twat'?

 

[danny la rouge]

So being interviewed by now equates to hanging out with?

Also, do you think KAM's Jewish wife knows she's married to an 'antisemitic conspiracy twat'?

Q1. Yes.
Q2. Who knows.

 

[cantsin]

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I asked for the case against the Canary before and was told to read the Canary thread. I had read it at teh time but Ive reread it (i posted a Richard Seymour critique of it on there even)

My recap of that thread minus all the usual infighting:

Criticism of the economic model of the website
Predicated on click bait titles, pay per click etc, sensationalism
Not thorough editing enough

KAM did an interview with David Icke once. The video no longer exists, dont know what she said on it, content wasn't mentioned on the thread
Pieces in the Canary went with Hersch's story on Syrian bombing. Not sure who authored those. One article I found last night was by Tom Somebody.

Is there anything Im missing?

Thought this, from the weekend , was crap, and typical :

 

[LDC]

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Thought this, from the weekend , was crap, and typical :

No defence of Mendoza on so many levels, fuck her and fuck The Canary, they're both absolute political poison.

 

[hitmouse]

I asked for the case against the Canary before and was told to read the Canary thread. I had read it at teh time but Ive reread it (i posted a Richard Seymour critique of it on there even)

My recap of that thread minus all the usual infighting:

Criticism of the economic model of the website
Predicated on click bait titles, pay per click etc, sensationalism
Not thorough editing enough

KAM did an interview with David Icke once. The video no longer exists, dont know what she said on it, content wasn't mentioned on the thread
Pieces in the Canary went with Hersch's story on Syrian bombing. Not sure who authored those. One article I found last night was by Tom Somebody.

Is there anything Im missing?

Fwiw, there's a decent summary of the critique of the Canary (from a clearly left/non-centrist-weirdo perspective) here. Which links back to both the Seymour video and the U75 thread, as it happens. Anyway, the formatting on that post is horrible but the info seems sound.

 

[hitmouse]

I am not a fan of the Canary's writing style so do not read it that often but it is quite clear the Labour Liberal gatekeepers of acceptable titles has no issue with the hate spewed out by the above as these titles have been approved by the gate keepers.

The most stunning display of hypocrisy yesterday was Charlotte Nichols MP who had recently appeared on Tom Newton Dunn's Times Radio Show he was the guy who, last December, published a neo nazi hit list on Labour Party members sourced from the Ayran unity website.

Not to mention the leader of the Labour Party regularly appearing alongside a hardcore racist on LBC.

The hypocrisy and gaslighting is stunning.

Tbf, it is entirely possible, and I'd say even desirable, to be opposed to Newton-Dunn, Ferrari, the Telegraph, and to Mendoza/Allen/Icke. You don't have to pick one, it's fine to hate all of them.

 

[bimble]

He's not just interviewed, in the little clip they put in twitter as a teaser he says at the end 'lets all support the canary', which is great, for the canary.

 

[danny la rouge]

No defence of Mendoza on so many levels, fuck her and fuck The Canary, they're both absolute political poison.

Correct.

 

[redsquirrel]

Is there anything Im missing?

The conspiracyloonary and (not so) veiled anti-semitism.

 

[killer b]

Q1. Yes.
Q2. Who knows.

It's well known that people with ethnic minority friends and lovers can't be racist Danny.

 

[danny la rouge]

Tbf, it is entirely possible, and I'd say even desirable, to be opposed to Newton-Dunn, Ferrari, the Telegraph, and to Mendoza/Allen/Icke. You don't have to pick one, it's fine to hate all of them.

Exactly. The whataboutery is endless. Next someone will bring up the S*n. Yes, yes, we boycott that too.

Round and round it still goes.

 

[chilango]

Was trying to write a more eloquent strategical critique, but gave up. Instead, Fuck Corbyn, fuck The Canary, Fuck the Labour Party. It really is time to move on and leave the cranks and the careerists squabbling over the wreckage. There's nothing to be gained but "taint" from hanging around that scene anymore.

 

[danny la rouge]

Was trying to write a more eloquent strategical critique, but gave up. Instead, Fuck Corbyn, fuck The Canary, Fuck the Labour Party. It really is time to move on and leave the cranks and the careerists squabbling over the wreckage. There's nothing to be gained but "taint" from hanging around that scene anymore.

Bravo.

 

[steveseagull]

Exactly. The whataboutery is endless. Next someone will bring up the S*n. Yes, yes, we boycott that too.

Round and round it still goes.

Whataboutery. The vacuous phase du jour. Formerly known as rank hypocrisy before the gatekeepers reappropiated it.

 

[danny la rouge]

Whataboutery. The vacuous phase du jour. Formerly known as rank hypocrisy before the gatekeepers reappropiated it.

I’m a gatekeeper am I? Cool. In that case I demand everyone becomes an anarchist communist and revolutions us the hell out of this sorry mess.



I’m waiting.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I’m a gatekeeper am I? Cool. In that case I demand everyone becomes an anarchist communist and revolutions us the hell out of this sorry mess.



I’m waiting.

OK. As soon as they lift the Covid restrictions.

 

[Brainaddict]

The first time I got really worried about the blindness and tribalism of some of the Corbyn crew was going to an event organised by Corbynistas where KAM was on a panel as an expert talking about press ethics and accountability. It was like a bad joke and I kept looking round to see if anyone would call it out. But no. I mentioned my discomfort to a couple of people afterwards and they all turned out to have quite selective memories about the accuracy of Canary reporting. sigh It also shows the weakness of your movement if you have to rely on such people. A movement without quality media attached to it is not broad or strong enough yet. To claim the Canary as your media is clutching at straws.

 

[cantsin]

The first time I got really worried about the blindness and tribalism of some of the Corbyn crew was going to an event organised by Corbynistas where KAM was on a panel as an expert talking about press ethics and accountability. It was like a bad joke and I kept looking round to see if anyone would call it out. But no. I mentioned my discomfort to a couple of people afterwards and they all turned out to have quite selective memories about the accuracy of Canary reporting. sigh It also shows the weakness of your movement if you have to rely on such people. A movement without quality media attached to it is not broad or strong enough yet. To claim the Canary as your media is clutching at straws.

lack of knowledge / substance ? Conspira - bobbins ?

 

[chilango]

OK. As soon as they lift the Covid restrictions.

As soon as this pub opens...*



*joke for the olds on here.

 

[killer b]

There was a period shortly after the 2017 election when there was talk by the BBC etc about taking The Canary more seriously as a legitimate news org (IIRC Mendoza ended up on Question Time around then) - it seemed to stop pretty quick though.

 

[steveseagull]

I mean, I am shocked to hear the BBC dropped a media organisation not approved by the establishment. Naddine Dorries' expertise in climate change is more their style.

 

[killer b]

They keep the Novara guys in the mix (they also started appearing on BBC opinion panels at the same time) and they aren't approved either. I guess they aren't racist conspiracy theorists though.

 

[danny la rouge]

I mean, I am shocked to hear the BBC dropped a media organisation not approved by the establishment. Naddine Dorries' expertise in climate change is more their style.

Because your enemy’s enemy must be your friend.

We’ve already done this: there’s (different) reasons to not like both.

 

[Brainaddict]

lack of knowledge / substance ? Conspira - bobbins ?

I suspect not wanting to know the bad stuff about someone who was on their team, as they saw it. 95% of the Canary content is fine if a bit screamy and click-baity, and from time to time it's actually good. So you can just choose to focus on that if you want I guess. I dunno.