Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[redsquirrel]

The Canary? Spit. That's nothing.

He's published stuff on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube and we all know what a cesspit of far-right antisemitic loonspuddery he's sharing a platform with THERE

Seriously. You think this is a sensible response to the criticism of the Canary people have made?

It's just that the 'sharing a platform' seems a bit of a stretch.

So the leader of the LP shouldn't refuse interviews with the Sun then? Is giving an interview to the BBC or Sky the same as presenting programs on RT?

Of course the platform which you are giving interviews matters. There may be times where groups feel the best tactical options is to hold their noses a bit and engage with a source. But platforms that support anti-Semitic conspiracyloonary should be given a very wide berth.

 

[Knotted]

I haven't really got a problem with giving interviews to politically awful outlets. They're giving you the platform not the other way round. But Corbyn is easily high profile enough to choose what lefty outlet he wants to give an interview to. He's trying to pull in Canary readers to his peace and justice thing. So that's that fucked.

 

[andysays]

...platforms that support anti-Semitic conspiracyloonary should be given a very wide berth?

Unless you're actively seeking to demonstrate that you're happy to continue swimming in the waters of anti-Semitic conspiraloonary you've been criticised for.

 

[Shechemite]

I’m old enough to remember all of 3/years ago when Milo wankface defence against charges of racism was that he sleeps with black guys.

 

[steveseagull]

What is the conspiracy you talk of?

 

[danny la rouge]

Why do you ask?

To find out if you’re a member of the Labour Party.

 

[hitmouse]

What is the conspiracy you talk of?

From that blog post I linked to a few pages back:

The Canary and Conspiracism

The Canary has always had been more then willing to embrace conspiracy theories ranging from the Syrian Chemical Attack to claims Laura Kuenssberg was a speaker at the Conservative Party conference.

This isn’t surprising. While she may have tried to play it down since The Canary hit the mainstream Mendoza has always been a conspiracy theorist as her now deleted blog shows.

She has promoted the old far right favourite of a secret padeophile network and openly promoted the conspiracy film Zeitgeist.

So it’s not surprising that The Canary have had issues with antisemitism, whether promoting a play written by an antisemite or putting unabashed antisemites on their writing staff.

Mendoza and Icke

The antisemitism and conspiracism aren’t a shock, considering that Mendoza has links to notorious antisemite David Icke. (There’s not room to go into Icke in detail here, but you can find a summary here).

She seems to have had brief involvement in Icke’s “The People’s Voice” television channel, although she fell out with him. This seems to have been about money, not any of the many reasons anyone who isn’t a racist would fall out with David Icke.

This can’t have been an ideological dispute, considering that she was happy to appear on The Richie Allen show. Allen is an Icke protege who has also hosted neo nazis like Mark Collett, Alison Chabloz and David Duke.

It’s not a show any anti racist would even consider being on.

 

[danny la rouge]

No one has claimed that. It is the endless attacks by hypocrites I have an issue with.

Ah, that’s OK then. I’m not one of those.

 

[chilango]

I haven't really got a problem with giving interviews to politically awful outlets. They're giving you the platform not the other way round. But Corbyn is easily high profile enough to choose what lefty outlet he wants to give an interview to. He's trying to pull in Canary readers to his peace and justice thing. So that's that fucked.

Disagree here.

In this case it's an example of the interviewee providing a platform to the outlet rather than the perhaps more usual other way round. As in all Canary's audience will be familiar with, and largely supportive of Corbyn. But Corbyn's audience - which is far larger - will not all be familiar with or supportive of the Canary.

in this case Corbyn provides exposure and credibility to the Canary.

 

[Knotted]

Disagree here.

In this case it's an example of the interviewee providing a platform to the outlet rather than the perhaps more usual other way round. As in all Canary's audience will be familiar with, and largely supportive of Corbyn. But Corbyn's audience - which is far larger - will not all be familiar with or supportive of the Canary.

in this case Corbyn provides exposure and credibility to the Canary.

Yeah effectively that's what's happened. But in theory he could have given an interview that rubbed the Canary up the wrong way in some way. (He almost certainly hasn't of course).

 

[bimble]

I don't think this is very complicated, the Canary never wavered all these years, didn't give an inch, held the purist line (100% smears zionists etc) and are being rewarded for their loyalty. Its just another little iteration of the unfortunate stuff that happens when you get stuck in a stupid pick a side, my team right or wrong, way of thinking.

 

[Lorca]

Was trying to write a more eloquent strategical critique, but gave up. Instead, Fuck Corbyn, fuck The Canary, Fuck the Labour Party. It really is time to move on and leave the cranks and the careerists squabbling over the wreckage. There's nothing to be gained but "taint" from hanging around that scene anymore.

Genuine question, what (realistic) options for an organised, w/c based response to centre right hegemony are out there post-corbyn? It all seems a bit hopeless to be honest.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't think this is very complicated, the Canary never wavered all these years, didn't give an inch, held the purist line (100% smears zionists etc) and are being rewarded for their loyalty. Its just another little iteration of the unfortunate stuff that happens when you get stuck in a stupid pick a side, my team right or wrong, way of thinking.

With anti-semites who agree that corbyn is great. The knot.

 

[chilango]

Genuine question, what (realistic) options for an organised, w/c based response to centre right hegemony are out there post-corbyn? It all seems a bit hopeless to be honest.

Centre-right hegemony? We're not in the 90s anymore

There are no realistic options right now to be blunt.

So, all we've got are the unrealistic ones.

[mutters something about demanding the impossible]

 

[butchersapron]

Centre-right hegemony? We're not in the 90s anymore

There are no realistic options right now to be blunt.

So, all we've got are the unrealistic ones.

[mutters something about demanding the impossible]

Is the 90s your model?

 

[steveseagull]

From that blog post I linked to a few pages back:

To be honest, that seems pretty tame compared the media the anti Corbyn cranks like to court which pump hate and conspiracy out on an industrial scale

 

[butchersapron]

To be honest, that seems pretty tame compared the media the anti Corbyn cranks like to court which pump hate and conspiracy out on an industrial scale

Just a little bit of racism is allowed

Starmer - why isn't he 100% on every racism.

 

[hitmouse]

To be honest, that seems pretty tame compared the media the anti Corbyn cranks like to court which pump hate and conspiracy out on an industrial scale

Is that really something you're prepared to settle for? "Not quite as bad as the Spectator"? Like, I can see how you could have a reasonable disagreement about degrees of separation, when sharing a platform indicates culpability and when it doesn't, there's disagreements to be had about those things. But can we at least agree that the likes of Mark Collett and David Duke are not "tame" but actually very very bad? Is that something we can reach a consensus on?

 

[belboid]

To be honest, that seems pretty tame compared the media the anti Corbyn cranks like to court which pump hate and conspiracy out on an industrial scale

it is one of the terrible examples of groupthink on this board. For some strange reason we do, pretty much all, agree on the point that - if you go on a David Icke or Richie Allen show you can fuck the fuck off.

 

[chilango]

Is the 90s your model?

My model for what?

I was referring - not entirely seriously - to when we had a "centre-right hegemony".

 

[butchersapron]

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My model for what?

I was referring - not entirely seriously - to when we had a "centre-right hegemony".

Don't worry mate, misread.

 

[steveseagull]

Mark Collett and David Duke

Are wankers. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the anti Corbyn cranks.

 

[butchersapron]

Though i did like the brit-pop as centre-right idea.

 

[butchersapron]

Are wankers. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the anti Corbyn cranks.

Who you think are everywhere, haunting you like the memory of a shit rugby league team and the injustice done. None here though steveseigheil.

 

[chilango]

Though i did like the brit-pop as centre-right idea.

Blair Vs Major, Blur Vs Oasis same difference.

 

[steveseagull]

Who you think are everywhere, haunting you like the memory of a shit rugby league team and the injustice done. None here though steveseigheil.

I have no idea what you are on about and you are getting a pretty tedious now so I am putting you on ignore.

 

[butchersapron]

I have no idea what you are on about and you are getting a pretty tedious now so I am putting you on ignore.

I wish you naught but luck in your ranty endeavours. I'm sure that you will move onto many other ranty projects.

 

[hitmouse]

I have no idea what you are on about and you are getting a pretty tedious now so I am putting you on ignore.

I think the point being made is that centrist dicks like Angela Smith or whoever may indeed be hypocritical, but that they don't generally post on here, and there's a difference between hypocrites opportunistically using selective antiracism to score points, and consistent antiracists saying that if you're on our side then you should be antiracist all the time, not just a little bit less racist than the Spectator.

 

[Supine]

Also, Fuck Corbyn, fuck Labour, fuck centrists, fuck Mendoza, fuck the Canary, fuck Sir Cop.

And a partridge in a pear tree

 

[danny la rouge]

I think the point being made is that centrist dicks like Angela Smith or whoever may indeed be hypocritical, but that they don't generally post on here, and there's a difference between hypocrites opportunistically using selective antiracism to score points, and consistent antiracists saying that if you're on our side then you should be antiracist all the time, not just a little bit less racist than the Spectator.

Indeed.