Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[teqniq]

Yeah i saw it the other day either linked from fb or twitter.

 

[sleaterkinney]

It's a conspiracy!

 

[two sheds]

That's a theory!

 

[greenfield]

Here's a story...

The other day I wentas an audience member to a Radio 4 comedy show the other day, 'Tez Talks' with comedian Tez Ilyas. Unfortunately it turned out to be unfunny shit, like so much of Radio 4s output.

Anyway, there was an audience participation segment. We'd been asked to write an answer to the question 'what would you send back in time and why'. The answers would have been known to the producers beforehand. A guy from the audience was asked to read his. He said he would send back Jeremy Corbyn to Israel 2 thousand years ago - for his anti-Semitism.

I shouted out that was bollocks. The thing that got me was that the guys answer was then incorporated into the show. Like haha Jeremy the antisemite. I walked out and loads of people left during the interval. I also made a complaint. They wouldn't broadcast that shit surely?

 

[Shechemite]

The joke would be on the audience member, as Jeremy would (possibly) havecthe joy of watching the destruction of the Temple

 

[killer b]

That seem pretty standard for radio 4 tbh - plenty of people making corbyn/antisemitism jokes on the news quiz and suchlike. The tories are heartless bastards, Labour are a pit of antisemites seems to be the line.

 

[mojo pixy]

He said he would send back Jeremy Corbyn to Israel 2 thousand years ago - for his anti-Semitism.

I shouted out that was bollocks./snip

Especial bollocks because there was no such country as Israel 2000 years ago

 

[Shechemite]

There was 132-135AD mind

 

[Shechemite]

Speaking of which, what did the Hasmoneans call their territory?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Speaking of which, what did the Hasmoneans call their territory?

Probably Their Manor given they has money

 

[scifisam]

Money already controls who can afford to buy and run a car in the first place. Any free parking initiative (besides obvious stuff like free staff parking at hospitals) takes money out of the pot that parking fees go into for the benefit of people with enough wealth to have a private car, a category that increasingly excludes young working class people. Take from everyone, give only to some: that's regressive.

Free parking for everybody at hospitals makes sense too, though. An awful lot of people who can't afford a car of their own nonetheless need one when going to hospital for an appt (and most hospitals oblige you to leave in a car after operations and after giving birth), plus charging people to go and see their ill or dying loved ones is pretty insulting.

 

[mojo pixy]

Speaking of which, what did the Hasmoneans call their territory?

Maybe Judea .. but only because I've never heard it ever called Hashmonea. Plus Judea was used by the Romans and it's not their name.

So many possibilities for a name for the new nation in 1948 and they chose Israel. Make the place as much a symbol as an actual country, IMO that's been half the trouble all along.

Sorry Jezza, cluttering up your leaving thread with irrelevant opinions

 

[Shechemite]

Maybe Judea .. but only because I've never heard it ever called Hashmonea. Plus Judea was used by the Romans and it's not their name.

So many possibilities for a name for the new nation in 1948 and they chose Israel. Make the place as much a symbol as an actual country, IMO that's been half the trouble all along.

Sorry Jezza, cluttering up your leaving thread with irrelevant opinions

Hasmoneans were before the Romans. And before the Hasmoneans it was (officially) part of the Syrian region.

G-d I’m dull

 

[mojo pixy]

I meant Rome took the name Judea from somewhere, they didn't invent it themselves. So probably some Hasmoneans .. who probably didn't call themselves Hasmoneans. Maccabees maybe?

IMO this is way less dull than Corbyn

 

[Shechemite]

Judea is the anglicisation of the latinisation of Judah.

The Maccabeans revolt was more or less in the region of Judah/Judea, and the Persians called the area ‘Medinat Yehud’ (Jewish Province).

However the Hasmonean kingdom included Samaria and Gallillee (as well as bit of the lands to the south, and to the east of the Jordan). Also the Hasmonean kings weren’t of the tribe of Judah (like the previous kings were).

 

[mojo pixy]

Well, Maccabees founded the dynasty didn't they? Simon the Maccabee (how's that for Anglicized?) so it's possible people might have had reasons to associate themselves with the name, in that place and time. People still do, מכבי resonates even now, half the football teams in Israel are Macabi something.

 

[krink]

Speaking of which, what did the Hasmoneans call their territory?

Really thought this was the first line of a joke

 

[yield]

Thought it was all about the Pharisees, Sadducees & Essenes? Though that may have been later?

 

[Shechemite]

Thought it was all about the Pharisees, Sadducees & Essenes? Though that may have been later?

A Sadducee walked into a bar... because he wrapped his tefillin over his eyes!

(Ancient Pharisee joke)

 

[teqniq]

Which leads me on to something else which has mystified me somewhat. During the Labour party conference a motion was passed to ban arms sales to Israel. It was only reported in overseas publications. The one in the link, Haaretz and The Times of Israel being the top three when doing a Google search. I would have thought what with all the antisemitism furore that the usual suspects would have been all over this, instead not a word. Why is that? (genuine question btw)

 

[DownwardDog]

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Which leads me on to something else which has mystified me somewhat. During the Labour party conference a motion was passed to ban arms sales to Israel. It was only reported in overseas publications. The one in the link, Haaretz and The Times of Israel being the top three when doing a Google search. I would have thought what with all the antisemitism furore that the usual suspects would have been all over this, instead not a word. Why is that? (genuine question btw)

Because British arms sales to Israel are relatively small amounts of low tech stuff like ammunition and are therefore inconsequential and easily substituted. There is a lot more commercial activity in the other direction - a subject upon which Labour is conspicuously silent. eg Elbit Systems supply and manage the vastly expensive aviation component of the RAF's new privatised flying training system.

 

[Pickman's model]

Because British arms sales to Israel are relatively small amounts of low tech stuff like ammunition and are therefore inconsequential and easily substituted. There is a lot more commercial activity in the other direction - a subject upon which Labour is conspicuously silent. eg Elbit Systems supply and manage the vastly expensive aviation component of the RAF's new privatised flying training system.

At an all time high according to the guardian British arms exports to Israel reach record level

 

[Pickman's model]

Because British arms sales to Israel are relatively small amounts of low tech stuff like ammunition and are therefore inconsequential and easily substituted. There is a lot more commercial activity in the other direction - a subject upon which Labour is conspicuously silent. eg Elbit Systems supply and manage the vastly expensive aviation component of the RAF's new privatised flying training system.

Wonder why you're making out it's tiny

EXCLUSIVE: UK sells $445m of arms to Israel, including sniper rifles

 

[teqniq]

Because British arms sales to Israel are relatively small amounts of low tech stuff like ammunition and are therefore inconsequential and easily substituted. There is a lot more commercial activity in the other direction - a subject upon which Labour is conspicuously silent. eg Elbit Systems supply and manage the vastly expensive aviation component of the RAF's new privatised flying training system.

Yeah I'm aware of the collaboration with Elbit systems more so the the equally vastly expensive drone program which has yet to prove itself, the training thing you mention is a new one to me.

 

[Rob Ray]

During the Labour party conference a motion was passed to ban arms sales to Israel. It was only reported in overseas publications. The one in the link, Haaretz and The Times of Israel being the top three when doing a Google search. I would have thought what with all the antisemitism furore that the usual suspects would have been all over this, instead not a word. Why is that? (genuine question btw)

Maybe because one thing they don't want getting lots of attention is what those guns actually get used for. Bashing Labour for institutional anti-semitism is fairly consequence-free, bashing them for banning arms sales requires showing that those sales aren't being used for ill.

 

[The Fornicator]

I've been surprised at how successful they have been - with the London-based media - separating out 'antisemitism' from Israeli State policies, inc. the ongoing violence concerning both the WB and Gaza. If I didn't know better I could think that was Israel influencing UK national politics by underminging a party leader.

 

[treelover]

Young mum battered and left needing stitches - 'for being a Labour supporter'

Not sure where to put this, woman attacked after LP brexit meeting in Wakefield, very worrying if connected

Time for the RMT stewarding?

btw, will she recover from that ok? (physically)

 

[yield]

Ultra-rich shift assets as fear of Labour government mounts
05/10/18 (www.ft. com/content/a1b456d4-c72c-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9 paywalled use outline.com)

London’s ultra-wealthy are moving assets out of the UK and some are preparing to leave the country as concerns over a leftwing Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn intensify among the super-rich.

Multimillionaires are setting up offshore investment accounts or shifting the location of UK-registered trusts holding their wealth to outside the country, in anticipation of higher tax rates and potential capital controls should Labour seize power.

Some are looking to relocate to countries viewed as more welcoming to the super-rich, with Switzerland, Monaco, Portugal and the US at the top of many wealthy individuals’ lists, according to bankers and other advisers.

Concerns among the wealthy that Mr Corbyn could become prime minister have intensified recently as government’s plans for an orderly Brexit appear shakier — increasing fears that a general election could take place in which Labour triumphs.

The UK’s super-rich are more scared of Labour than Brexit itself, said advisers. The party promised in its 2017 election manifesto to consider a so-called wealth tax.

“Most people are much more worried about Corbyn than Brexit — by a factor of 10,” said Michael Maslinski of the wealth management consultancy Maslinski & Co, who is also a partner at Stonehage Fleming, an investment firm working for several rich families.

Iain Tait, a director at London & Capital, the wealth management firm, said dozens of his clients have already taken firm steps to protect their assets from a potential Labour government.

“We have had some UK families ask us to set up offshore investment accounts,” he added.

“They want to make sure their investment accounts are Channel Islands-based or Switzerland-based so their money would not be subject to capital controls. It is activity we have seen from . . . clients in direct response to the threat of a Corbyn-led government.”

Several wealth managers, who declined to be identified, said clients were re-registering UK trusts outside the country in anticipation of Labour winning the next election.

Grant Thornton, the accounting firm, said some of its clients had sought advice on emigrating or moving their assets offshore should Mr Corbyn become prime minister.

Monaco, Guernsey and Jersey are some of the locations being considered by wealthy individuals as places to move themselves or their assets.

However, some individuals are moving money out of trusts in Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man over fears that, under a Labour government, the crown dependencies could lose their low tax advantages.

The super-rich are also diversifying their assets across different locations, such as Switzerland, Luxembourg and Singapore, amid fears that Labour would impose capital controls.

Labour said in last year’s manifesto that it planned to increase income tax for people earning above £80,000 — about 5 per cent of the UK population.

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, said: “Society will not tolerate the rich refusing to shoulder their fair share of responsibilities. We will take all the necessary action to make sure they do.”

A poll of nearly 200 wealthy UK residents published last month found that a change of government was the biggest financial concern for 42 per cent of respondents.

Saunderson House, the wealth manager that conducted the survey, said: “Fears over change of government largely relate to the prospect of a radically changed tax landscape under a Corbyn-led Labour government.”

Several advisers were unwilling to speak publicly due to the political nature of the situation.

The head of wealth planning at one large City of London firm said: “The conversation has heated up since [last month’s Labour party conference in] Liverpool. One client pushed the button [on leaving the country] this morning.”

The head of an investment firm working on behalf of several wealthy families said: “The big risk is that today the world’s ultra-wealthy are incredibly mobile and that shouldn’t be underestimated. If Corbyn brought in capital controls, you’d find a lot more people leaving.”

tldr. Corbyn worse than Brexit. Capital flight & capital strike if people vote wrong.

 

[Pickman's model]

Young mum battered and left needing stitches - 'for being a Labour supporter'

Not sure where to put this, woman attacked after LP brexit meeting in Wakefield, very worrying if connected

Time for the RMT stewarding?

btw, will she recover from that ok? (physically)

jesus mary and joseph

time for the rmt stewarding? it helps if you read the fucking article you link to you plonker.

she'd stopped for a drink somewhere after attending a meeting: how would your rmt stewarding have worked, would you have had them escort everyone home?

and will she recover (physically)? yes.

 

[two sheds]

Ultra-rich shift assets as fear of Labour government mounts
05/10/18 (www.ft. com/content/a1b456d4-c72c-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9 paywalled use outline.com)

tldr. Corbyn worse than Brexit. Capital flight & capital strike if people vote wrong.

Well the tories made a retrospective law on the bedroom tax, so they've set a precedent that should clearly be followed .