Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Wilf]

Degsy's back in Labour

Derek Hatton is back in the Labour Party - 33 years after he was kicked out

Seems like we've gone back to the Blair years - rich property developers joining the party.

 

[TopCat]

Seems like we've gone back to the Blair years - rich property developers joining the party.

Really?

 

[teqniq]

Two souls of Corbynism: notes on #Lab18 | Richard Seymour on Patreon

 

[Badgers]

Seems like we've gone back to the Blair years - rich property developers joining the party.

Nonsense

 

[sealion]

Nonsense

What seperates him from other shitbag property developers?

 

[friedaweed]

Degsy's back in Labour

Derek Hatton is back in the Labour Party - 33 years after he was kicked out

He looks good for 70

 

[Wilf]

What seperates him from other shitbag property developers?

Well, it was an attempted joke - I don'tactually think Corbyn's Labour Party is likely to see an influx of the very rich, property developers etc. But Hatton is undoubtedly a property developer.

 

[sealion]

He looks good for 70

We all would if we had has lifestyle and millions!

 

[sealion]

Well, it was an attempted joke - I don'tactually think Corbyn's Labour Party is likely to see an influx of the very rich, property developers etc. But Hatton is undoubtedly a property developer.

A dodgy one at that.

 

[friedaweed]

We all would if we had has lifestyle and millions!

Your theory didn't work out too well for these guys mate.

 

[sealion]

Your theory didn't work out too well for these guys mate.

Brenda and Murdoch have nearly 20 years on him and will never die the cunts i actually think Brenda is kept in a freezer and wheeled out on request! I'll give you the Donald one

 

[MickiQ]

Brenda looks much healhier than most 90+ plus old women, but let's face it she is probably going to get the very best healthcare going and probably doesn't worry about the need to turn the heating down to save gas.
Beside long lived women and short lived men run in the family, It wouldn't surprise me if Chucky shuffled off without ever sitting on the throne.
Sheer bile probably keeps the other two going.

 

[Brainaddict]

Not sure where to post this but it's the warning of what a lot of people have been thinking about Corbynism:

I think the question is whether there is enough of a social movement to push beyond a moment of mild social democracy. Questionable at the moment I'd say, but not so much because of any mistakes that Momentum or whoever might be making, but because it will take years to build up the lost capacity for sustained collective action by any route you choose to take.

 

[butchersapron]

Who is he and why should i give a shit about what he says?

 

[butchersapron]

Labour should shut down BP and shell. OK.

 

[sihhi]

Who is he and why should i give a shit about what he says?

I know you know but for anyone who doesn't he was a member of the Greens and manager at People & Planet:
Green party's Adam Ramsay: 'We can replace the Lib Dems as the third party'

Now head of Open Democracy.

 

[Dragnet]

Not sure where to post this but it's the warning of what a lot of people have been thinking about Corbynism:

I've seen this video floating about a bit; my main problem with it is that he doesn't mention the working class at all. The current system should be overthrown - by who? To be replaced with what?

 

[Wilf]

A dodgy one at that.

Yep. Significant property empire in Cyprus which apparently lead to buyers of flats losing money in the 2008 crash. Also, from my limited research , has a significant media company with his son. Prosecuted for defrauding Liverpool council as well (though found not guilty on the judge's direction).

 

[Brainaddict]

I've seen this video floating about a bit; my main problem with it is that he doesn't mention the working class at all. The current system should be overthrown - by who? To be replaced with what?

I don't expect anyone to like him more for his background, but being one of the poshest lefties around (son of a baronet or something) he's in a bit of a bind. If he talks about the working class claiming more power he'll have everyone reminding him he isn't of it. If he doesn't mention it he's ignoring it. It annoys me too that this is the type of person who ends up editing openDemocracy, but that doesn't mean he can't make good points, and for what it's worth 'Democratic socialism' seems to be what he wants: Adam Ramsay: If we want economic justice we need a democratic revolution

 

[butchersapron]

'ends up'? Is that really how it works? I bet he's rambling on about a constitution in that link. Who is he and why should i listen to him?

 

[cantsin]

Not sure where to post this but it's the warning of what a lot of people have been thinking about Corbynism:

I think the question is whether there is enough of a social movement to push beyond a moment of mild social democracy. Questionable at the moment I'd say, but not so much because of any mistakes that Momentum or whoever might be making, but because it will take years to build up the lost capacity for sustained collective action by any route you choose to take.

really good , lots of truth in it .... in 10 yrs time Momentum / Left Lab may well be seen as the dynamic (and relatively young) force which helped absorb the entrenched, instinctive opposition building towards the stagnating system, with added groovy oppositionist sub cultural sheen and the odd snappy meme to help upkeep of the spectacle.

But then unless capitalism has answers to the housing / jobs /wealth inequality AI / climate change etc issues that lie at the heart of all this , those organsing in the spaces in and around Momentum, are going to see though the co option / recuperation v quickly .

 

[Poi E]

"The radical left from across England coming together...". At least someone in Labour knows the Union is dead.

 

[Riklet]

Ancient regime. Too much Foucoult in bed, Adam Ramsay! What the fuck does this even mean in 2018 Britain.

All very well talking about intellectual heavy lifting - but if those are just nice shiny ideas for nice shiny lefty people, that seems even worse to me than ever.

How can Labour get any further in being truly radical until it drops there 'here we have some nice ideas, now support us' way of doing politics and democracy. Where were the people at the bottom of the heap, previously who were represented by the unions and now arent? And when were they being involved in transforming things on a local level? I wasnt there to be fair so genuinely unsure.

I like the program set by Labour and some of their shiny bright ideas. But with the direction moving away from the centre and the right gaining power and doing more of the 'heavy lifting' it's very naive of them to be using this 'when we're in power' chat. And even more naive is not preparing a radical plan for how to respond against the attacks from all sides. Who is going to defend a new labour government and where will this conflict take place? Cos it's gonna need more than shiny toys in in shiny places washed down with daily Novara media.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't expect anyone to like him more for his background, but being one of the poshest lefties around (son of a baronet or something) he's in a bit of a bind. If he talks about the working class claiming more power he'll have everyone reminding him he isn't of it. If he doesn't mention it he's ignoring it. It annoys me too that this is the type of person who ends up editing openDemocracy, but that doesn't mean he can't make good points, and for what it's worth 'Democratic socialism' seems to be what he wants: Adam Ramsay: If we want economic justice we need a democratic revolution

the city of london police do not date back to roman times. schoolboy error. otherwise they'd be the auldest police in europe, and not the parisian force which would be a mere stripling having only been founded in the seventeenth century. when you get the obvious things wrong the other things can be less relied upon. his corporate governance of the city of london, for example, doesn't quite agree with the city of london's own website:The City's government - City of London. the 86% of the land bit outside the british isles includes a vast chunk of almost entirely unpopulated antarctica, which at 1,709,000 sq km is 98% of the overseas territories he's on about. and no one - NO ONE - launders money through antarctica.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ancient regime. Too much Foucoult in bed, Adam Ramsay! What the fuck does this even mean in 2018 Britain.

All very well talking about intellectual heavy lifting - but if those are just nice shiny ideas for nice shiny lefty people, that seems even worse to me than ever.

How can Labour get any further in being truly radical until it drops there 'here we have some nice ideas, now support us' way of doing politics and democracy. Where were the people at the bottom of the heap, previously who were represented by the unions and now arent? And when were they being involved in transforming things on a local level? I wasnt there to be fair so genuinely unsure.

I like the program set by Labour and some of their shiny bright ideas. But with the direction moving away from the centre and the right gaining power and doing more of the 'heavy lifting' it's very naive of them to be using this 'when we're in power' chat. And even more naive is not preparing a radical plan for how to respond against the attacks from all sides. Who is going to defend a new labour government and where will this conflict take place? Cos it's gonna need more than shiny toys in in shiny places washed down with daily Novara media.

those things are only dropped in to give the impression of authority

he's saying nothing new.

 

[19force8]

Pop over to the Alba forum if you want to catch the full details [courtesy of Celyn ] of the latest blow up in Scottish Labour.

Spoiler - it involves Iain McNichol, Jenny Formby & Kezia Dugdale [spit], a libel case of Hopkinsesque stupidity and a sense of entitlement larger than the Duke of Buccleuch's estates.

Kezia Dugdale Resignation

 

[chilango]

Thing is Labour are involved in "transforming things on a local level".

Very much so.

...for the worse.

 

[Shechemite]

They dropped the IPSO complaint re the wreath laying, although it isn’t clear yet why

 

[Shechemite]

Anyone have any idea what their position is on mental health legislation (there’s currently a review of the mental health act, and I’ve not seen anything by the Labour Party on this)

Their 2017 disability manifesto states they would ‘implement the UN convention on the rights of people with disabilities’

The UNCRPD in practice would mean the scrapping of the Mental Health Act and an end to detention and forced treatment.

Curious then that labour haven’t stated their position on the MHA, given that it’s currently being reviewed

 

[two sheds]

And now, Corbyn's even been slanting the antisemitism claims against Labour in the press

Flawed reporting on antisemitism claims against the Labour party | Letter

Flawed reporting on antisemitism claims against the Labour party

Noam Chomsky, Yanis Varoufakis, Ken Loach, Brian Eno, Des Freedman, Justin Schlosberg and 21 others write about a recent report by the Media Reform Coalition

We have long had serious concerns about the lack of due impartiality and accuracy in the reporting of allegations of antisemitism against Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party. The recent report by the Media Reform Coalition examining coverage of Labour’s revised code of conduct on antisemitism shows that we are right to be concerned.

The research examined over 250 articles and broadcast news segments and found over 90 examples of misleading or inaccurate reporting. In relation to the IHRA definition of antisemitism that was at the heart of the dispute, the research found evidence of “overwhelming source imbalance” in which critics of Labour’s code of conduct dominated coverage, with nearly 50% of Guardian reports, for example, failing to include any quotes from those defending the code or critiquing the IHRA definition. Moreover, key contextual facts about the IHRA definition – for example that it has only been formally adopted by eight countries (and only six of the IHRA member states) – were consistently excluded.

The researchers conclude these were not occasional lapses in judgment but “systematic reporting failures” that served to weaken the Labour leadership and to bolster its opponents within and outside of the party.

It is of course entirely appropriate and necessary for our major news outlets to report on the horrors of antisemitism, but wrong to present it as an issue specific to the Labour party.

In covering the allegations that Labour is now “institutionally antisemitic”, there have been inaccuracies, clear distortions and revealing omissions across our most popular media platforms. We believe that significant parts of the UK media have failed their audiences by producing flawed reports that have contributed to an undeserved witch-hunt against the Labour leader and misdirected public attention away from antisemitism elsewhere, including on the far right, which is ascendant in much of Europe.

Funny I didn't see that as lead article splashed across the Guardian front page as the other antisemitism stories have been. I may have missed it of course, but I didn't see it anywhere on the Guardian website - I saw it referred to from elsewhere.