agricola
a genuine importer of owls
The Dispatches one with Peter Oborne? Probably the same as it got then.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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The Dispatches one with Peter Oborne? Probably the same as it got then.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Thats the one
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
Yay, Eddie Izzard. Why’s it taken so long for her to go?
bimble
floofy
I think she really screwed up just yesterday, posting on facebook how 'this whole row is only being stirred up to attack Jeremy as we all know', just when he was recording his happy passover video. Maybe that's why she had to go.
bemused
Well-Known Member
Because they were hoping it would blow over.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
Again, we get to the right result, just days too late. Unfortunately JC’s political judgement is terrible. I know it’s actually the (ex) general secretary who’s largely responsible for administrative procedures that appear to be too slow and cumbersome and determined not to dump lost causes (like Ken), but this has left the field open for the Daily Mail, of all periodicals, to make the anti-anti-Semitic running.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Perhaps, though the revelations on the Guardian website currently (that someone who hasn't donated to Labour (aside from certain MPs) since Corbyn took office, and who went on record last year saying he'd fund a breakaway anti-Corbyn party, has quit Labour) might suggest that the storm is approaching its end.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Thing about Shawcroft, we have no way of knowing if Corbyn asked her to resign when this first happened, because he's not the sort of person who would write an open letter to her and publish it in the media saying "I think you should go." It'd be behind closed doors. If that's the case, then one of the things that makes him a decent person is one of the things that causes him more strife. Like I say, we have no way of knowing.
Now with this latest thing about Harman and some MP allegedly engaging in DV, it just feels like the most tawdry kind of bullshit to attempt to harness this stuff to discredit him. DV is a serious fucking issue, and it's not for this kind of pitchfork sectarian bullshit.
Now with this latest thing about Harman and some MP allegedly engaging in DV, it just feels like the most tawdry kind of bullshit to attempt to harness this stuff to discredit him. DV is a serious fucking issue, and it's not for this kind of pitchfork sectarian bullshit.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Of course Trissy Hunt coming out and saying he's still a member but is now a floating voter (that's a membership-revoking offence) and really wishes we had a Macron over here, with plaintive cries for D Miliband or Sadiq Khan to found the new party that will save us all. They're all such fucking tone deaf and unintelligent arseholes.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
EXPOSED!11!: People apparently say nasty things in unofficial Facebook groups and mods sometimes ignore them! AND MPs SOMETIMES LIKED THE GROUPS!!!1!!
Fucking hell the absolute state of this. Does anyone remember when the Times pretended to be an actual newspaper?
No it's not an April Fools, it really is their lead story - Exposed: Jeremy Corbyn’s hate factory
Fucking hell the absolute state of this. Does anyone remember when the Times pretended to be an actual newspaper?
No it's not an April Fools, it really is their lead story - Exposed: Jeremy Corbyn’s hate factory
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
One wonders if the Patrick Haseldine mentioned in that text is the same as the Patrick Haseldine of the "South Africa did Lockerbie" fame.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
They're really fucking scared, aren't they.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Unlikely. It will have been an event specific Seven Nation Army chant, like at the football, that is after all where the Corbyn chant originated.
"Ooh Antony Joshua" - maybe . It was pretty muffled.
The crackle's good. Makes it feel like you're listening to Louis vs Schmeling on the wireless.
Farr vs Louis more like!
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It’s a shame pro-Corbyn Facebook groups aren’t well-regulated forums of polite discussions like the hate-free comments under newspaper articles, eh?
FWIW the target of this stuff isn’t just Corbyn but also the power of Facebook to influence or organise political discourse and action -something the big old right wing press don’t have under their control. It’s a fight to retain their influence as much as anything (a battle not just limited to the rw press). They’re losing this battle.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
'Shitting frisbees' is the technical political science term I believe.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I don't think you're wrong there, but I think it may also be a concern that Corbyn (or maybe Momentum) did pretty well in the social media battle last time around relative to the Tories. despite the latter probably having more money to pay for the assistance of creepy PR/psyops orgs who promote themselves as having expertise in that area.
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newbie
undisambiguated
Dunno. I can do being a cynical ostrich as well as anyone, but praise for Hitler and Holocaust denial are somewhat unambiguous. We're not told whether those posters were flamed to smithereens then immediately expelled, if that's the case it will doubtless be revealed. If not, if we have to take this report at face value, then it's very hard indeed to see this as just some sort of exaggerated political smear with marginal substance beyond politicians jockeying for advantage.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
As with the antisemitism stuff, I think it's both actual hate speech and politically motivated attacks based on accusations of same that range much more widely.
Such attacks obviously work a lot better having some actual conspiraloons / racists to point at, along with some Labour politicians party / officials being useless about them.
The Momentum surge is a bit of a two edged sword. On the one hand, lots of energetic and social-media aware new faces, but on the other a bunch of conspiraloon liabilities.
Not really surprising that a lot of people are trying to make the latter edge bite JC.
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lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Do these groups have islamophobic or racist posts too? I suspect on a vastly smaller scale, and with more likelihood of objections / being taken down. So while this story is a misleading piece of propaganda there's a worrying truth at the core of it.
newbie
undisambiguated
a couple of named, senior politicians mumbling excuses about not looking properly at something they endorsed is all a bit arguable and we can take sides based on our wider politics. 19% think Corbyn is doing badly and, handily, 19% of Labour members think that anti-semitism in the party is a serious and genuine problem that needs addressing. So it's dead easy to be cynical about how much of this has serious roots. But these appear to be left labour ponds in which people can apparently get away with posts in praise of Hitler *
Sure, I want the right in the Labour Party to continue to lose influence. I want a left, inside and outside, ready to take on the tories in the arguments and try to turn public opinion. But not a left that swims in a pond like that.
* that may not be the case- this is the Sunday Times, I'd like to see responses from insiders of these groups before being wholly convinced the complete picture is available
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Specifically on Facebook groups it absolutely is an exaggerated smear. I don't run anything as massive as the 65,000-strong Corbyn support group, but even so, on something an order of magnitude smaller I often struggle to keep up with a contentious thread - people simply post faster than I can delete, or at a time when I'm busy so maybe I miss it. On the biggest Corbyn group they were apparently fielding up to 16,000 posts a month.
And on any given thread there will be at least a couple of massive arseholes prone to making hateful comments for the sake of riling people up, or because they're active bigots. The idea that this phenomenon is specific to Corbyn, as opposed to simply standard on any mass-use form of communication (eg. the comments under Youtube videos, all Twitch live threads ever, Imgur comments, Reddit comments, etc etc) is laughable.
Hell Urban75 has a large, experienced mod and admin team who aren't shy with the thread lock and a fairly stable, large community of people who enforce a culture of making bigots feel unwelcome, but it still has its moments. If you took a few months to go through its back catalogue for dodgy comments you could find all sorts of quotes.
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Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Plus the very real possibility of politically motivated trolling in such a group, who can also be reported as 'Corybn Supporters' because they're in a Corbyn supporter group.
But something like Urban's zero tolerance for loons/racists policy is pretty much what they need to be running in anything that can be associated with Labour, whether online or in meatspace.
I foresee implementation difficulties however ...
But something like Urban's zero tolerance for loons/racists policy is pretty much what they need to be running in anything that can be associated with Labour, whether online or in meatspace.
I foresee implementation difficulties however ...
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