Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[chilango]

ie naive gullible fools, as you can see from the lib dem vote

indeed

 

[Pickman's model]

TUSC, the best placed of the "Left of Labour", got about 36000 votes last election.

For a party that abandoned the working class 40 years earlier, Labour managed over 9 million votes.

Corbyn, perhaps the weakest person ever to lead the party managed to get 100 000s to join for his "liberal"\"social democratic" <boooo> politics.

I know its a shock to all the pompous intellectuals round here, but perhaps the apparently thunderously stupid oiks who make up the working class, vote Labour, vote Tory, vote UKIP and so on are the people best placed to judge who has and who has not abandoned them? Why are the "working class" not queuing up to vote for you? Why are they not queuing round the blocks at Russel Group unis for the "Marxism and its Relevance to Workers Class Struggle in a Post Modernist Shade of Pale" type events?

Is it possible that the stupid oiks are not as stupid as you think?

Is it possible many of them see that democracy in a heterogeneous society is a really difficult thing to get right. You have to simultaneously do enough to please wildly differing groups of people who do not fit into three neat little 19th century boxes, while not so agitating the oppositions supporters in enough numbers that they come out in greater force on polling day, and on top of that doing so amidst a complex mix of other parties and their agendas and appeals as well as their potential to be coalition partners and the set of electoral headaches that brings?


Nah thats too much like subtlety and thinking. The official line is "Labour abandoned the working class in 1914 and everyone except the pound shop revolutionaries has been too stupid to work it out. "

That post is outstanding as one of the worst contributions I've seen on urban. To start at the end, fh, who bar you says the official line is the lp turned its back on the wc in 1914?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

That post is outstanding as one of the worst contributions I've seen on urban. To start at the end, fh, who bar you says the official line is the lp turned its back on the wc in 1914?

My favouite line was the attack on the 'pompous intellectuals round here' before going on to discuss the difficulties of getting democracy right in a hetrogeneuous society.

We talk of little else round here....

 

[Pickman's model]

My favouite line was the attack on the 'pompous intellectuals round here' before going on to discuss the difficulties of getting democracy right in a hetrogeneuous society.

We talk of little else round here....

Also the wc cannot it seems be intellectuals

 

[agricola]

Also the wc cannot it seems be intellectuals

and yet our Tory masters like to pretend they spend all their time doing Foucault

 

[Pickman's model]

and yet our Tory masters like to pretend they spend all their time doing Foucault

(((Foucault)))

 

[gosub]

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeh? What's it about?

 

[gosub]

Yeh? What's it about?

mongolian yak herding

 

[Pickman's model]

mongolian yak herding

I'm using a phone so can't look at every video posted. Why not er follow the faq and say why it's worth watching and what it is.

 

[Wilf]

the official line is the lp turned its back on the wc in 1914?

They could have waited till half past.

 

[Mr Moose]

It's a fantastic no-win situation for Nuttall; stand and there's further humiliation (probably culminating in him having to admit he's never ever been to Hillsborough) and being called a bottler if he doesn't. Love it.

He's always got surviving the Munich air disaster to fall back on.

 

[Pickman's model]

He's always got surviving the Munich air disaster to fall back on.

Not to mention the lusitania and titanic

 

[kebabking]

Not to mention the lusitania and titanic

There was always going to be a comedown after his roles at Agincourt, the reformation and the industrial Revolution...

 

[Pickman's model]

There was always going to be a comedown after his roles at Agincourt, the reformation and the industrial Revolution...

Omdurman...

 

[Libertad]

Peterloo.

 

[kebabking]

the building of the Pyramids..

 

[Pickman's model]

the building of the Pyramids..

The fall of the tower of babel

 

[kebabking]

The fall of the tower of babel

killing off all them forrin dinosaurs.

 

[Mr Moose]

killing off all them forrin dinosaurs.

Brightest and best of Poland's dinosaurs coming over here, evolving into birds.

 

[Old Spark]

And JC gives the PLP a miss tonight.Shami and Diane have a drink instead.


Labour MPs express anger after Jeremy Corbyn decides not to attend weekly PLP meeting

 

[Andrew Hertford]

But that's not responding to the issues I raised. You seem to think Labour can shift policies and get a new leader, bingo, electable. It doesn't work like that. Apart from the fact that 2017 isn't 1997, economically or politically, it isn't like turning a tap on or off. You seem to find 'class' a dodgy term, but then ignore Brexit and a whole set of indicators and events that show whole swathes of Britain have become sick of the political class (particularly the bit of it that was supposed to closest to them in terms of Labour).

No I don't think new policies, new leader then 'bingo', that’s not what I said at all, but Labour certainly don't stand any chance whatsoever if they don't. Corbyn’s continued leadership means we might as well just stand by and watch the tories rip apart public services for the next decade or longer.

'Class' is irrelevant, a winning party has to appeal to voters across the board if it is to gain power. As for brexit, I don’t see what bearing it has on defeating the tories. Even after brexit goes pear shaped Labour will still have to appeal to millions more voters than they do now. Corbyn was a dead loss during the referendum campaign, as Labour leader he should have been 100% behind Remain. Now neither side trust him.

We need an electable Labour Party. Can you think of a better way of getting rid of the tories?

 

[BigTom]

[QUOTE="Andrew Hertford, post: 14948731]

We need an electable Labour Party. Can you think of a better way of getting rid of the tories?[/QUOTE]

For a certain value of better, yes. Violent revolution would get rid of the Tories in the best possible way.


Seriously though, no point in electing labour to get rid of conservatives if both are following Tory policies. You need a social democratic labour party to elect to get rid of Tories by electing a labour party

 

[Andrew Hertford]

For a certain value of better, yes. Violent revolution would get rid of the Tories in the best possible way.


Seriously though, no point in electing labour to get rid of conservatives if both are following Tory policies. You need a social democratic labour party to elect to get rid of Tories by electing a labour party

But Labour governments don’t just follow tory policies, look at how NHS spending (% of GDP) rose to almost the EU average under the last Labour government but has fallen back again since the tories took over. For millions of people that's a difference worth having.

...And daft as it sounds, some people do actually think that violent revolution is a viable solution.

 

[Pickman's model]

But Labour governments don’t just follow tory policies, look at how NHS spending (% of GDP) rose to almost the EU average under the last Labour government but has fallen back again since the tories took over. For millions of people that's a difference worth having.

And daft as it sounds, some people do actually think that violent revolution is a viable solution.

No one has said Labour governments don't have their own policies, e.g. introducing h.e. tuition fees, invading Iraq, introducing criminalisation/ulsterisation into the six counties: but also attacking pfi while in opposition and then massively expanding it in government. The continuities between tory and labour governments are more striking than the changes.

 

[Pickman's model]

But Labour governments don’t just follow tory policies, look at how NHS spending (% of GDP) rose to almost the EU average under the last Labour government but has fallen back again since the tories took over. For millions of people that's a difference worth having.

...And daft as it sounds, some people do actually think that violent revolution is a viable solution.

You don't recall Gordon Brown going round the city in the nineties having meals with the banksters and making out how labour was their mate.

 

[BigTom]

But Labour governments don’t just follow tory policies, look at how NHS spending (% of GDP) rose to almost the EU average under the last Labour government but has fallen back again since the tories took over. For millions of people that's a difference worth having.

...And daft as it sounds, some people do actually think that violent revolution is a viable solution.

More in common than in difference though and it's not like those Labour govts did great by the NHS, internal markets, loads more admin, foundation hospitals etc, setting up for the tory reforms under Lansley. It's not that I disagree that the marginal difference is a difference worth having, but it's not worth spending the time/energy pushing for it, when that time/energy could be spent getting something much, much further away. Whether Corbyn is the right person to carry the Labour party back that way idk but at least it's the right direction, and none of the other candidates for leadership offer anything close.
Anyway to me it says that politically speaking it'd be better to continue to work outside of the labour party - if a social democratic labour party is currently unelectable, then we need to change the conditions surrounding electoral politics so that such policies/party is electable.

 

[not a trot]

There was always going to be a comedown after his roles at Agincourt, the reformation and the industrial Revolution...

Be fair to the man he wrote, recorded and produced the Sgt Pepper album all on his own.

 

[DotCommunist]

he was the whole crowd at THAT sex pistols gig.all 20 odd, nuttal

 

[Mr Moose]

Be fair to the man he wrote, recorded and produced the Sgt Pepper album all on his own.

You may sneer but if you look at the cover he is clearly visible in the crowd.