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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

inva said:
Well that's really the point isn't it? They're all so much hard work I agree. The question is, are all the options equally worthwhile?
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Unless we have a way of seeing into the future, I'd say it's not very easy to know. We can make predictions, but in so doing we're bringing to it all sorts of different criteria and our predictions will likely be different.
 
Laurie Penny on the Rowlingverse:

"Ironic, then, that I actually did get to go to wizard school—or as close as you can get in the mundane world. I went, on a scholarship, to a local private school that had houses and weird uniforms and trained you to believe that you were special."

(urban: but Idris, didn't you, also, go to a fee-paying private school? NO, I FUCKING DIDN'T)

It's actually not bad, even if it's by Laurie of House Penny:

"The Harry Potter books are a childish rescue fantasy that feeds into a far more adult escapism: they are, after all, the ultimate fairytale of social mobility through merit. If you’re born with magical ability, you get to go to a special school where they’ll teach you special skills, and that’s okay, because you’ll be part of the good elite, who get to mess around catching pixies and playing wizard chess and protecting the powerless, and not the bad elite, who are like Nazis with better hair. In these stories, liberal meritocracy is set against the simpler evil of aristocracy—those wizards, including the Dark Lord himself, whose main bugbear throughout the series is the corruption of “pure” magical blood by Muggle-born witches and wizards. In a feat of worldbuilding that chimed perfectly with liberal triumphalism of the mid-nineties, it turns out that all magic is really good for—all Rowling’s Wizard government, the Ministry of Magic, exists to do—is to maintain the wizarding world as a secretive parasite universe, invisible to ordinary folk."

Harry Potter and the Conscience of a Liberal - The Baffler
 
Nye Bevan News
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Labour First .... the support group of the right of the Labour party have sent out an email to CLP members in Glastonbury and street labour. They sound cheery about conference and are gearing up quickly. They also hope to organise at a local level after conference. Here is part of their message....

'It is clear that we will face a prolonged period of strife in the party and attempts by Momentum to sack hard-working MPs, councillors, and CLP officers for being ideologically impure.

Immediately after conference Labour First will be focusing on creating local groups in as many areas of the country as possible so that people can meet together to organise against Hard Left attempts to take over local parties and deselect MPs and councillors.

We are going into conference having secured a very strong position in the election of CLP delegates, and with an unprecedented level of organisation by moderates. This means we can secure good results at conference whatever the outcome of the leadership election.

Ahead of Liverpool, the ‘Road to conference’ event series will discuss what we can expect on the conference floor, what the main issues surrounding Labour party conference are likely to be and the rule changes and policy motions we anticipate coming up.

The event series is organised jointly by Progress and Labour First.

Join us across the country (events have already been held in

Southampton and Brighton):
Cardiff | 8 September 2016
London | 12 September 2016
Birmingham | 16 September 2016
Nottingham | 16 September 2016
Leeds | 21 September 2016
Manchester | 22 September 2016'
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From FB, Nye Bevan News, the Right seem to be mobilising.
 
Whoever posted those old socialist songs, thank you. It makes you remember what it is all about. A movement, not the arguements.
 
Do they use usually use The Leader next to responses of accusations of execution squads?

The leader also responded to the suggestion from Labour MP Frank Field that MPs felt they were facing an “execution squad” from Corbyn supporters who wanted to deselect politicians ahead of a general election.
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butchersapron said:
Do they use usually use The Leader next to responses of accusations of execution squads?
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Naturally the comments thread is open to attract as many frothing nutjobs as possible. This one is typical.

pucksfriend
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The anti semitism by Corbyn supporters I've seen in the last week on Twitter and reported shows that the antisemitism report did nothing. They feel it's fine to have Swastikas appearing through broken Stars of David - that is apparently OK because of Israel. Apparently that isn't antisemitism but proper outrage. So when they are excluded that is also an outrage and a sign of rigging.
It's apparently not fashionable to deplore antisemitism in Corbyn's world - or rather it's fashionable to pretend it is something else.
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ETA: The author of this comment is talking about something completely separate to the article. :facepalm:
 
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butchersapron said:
This is not true though - this is all, almost entirely in fact, about electoral success. Their own individual success. This is only an ideological battle in the sense they genuinely think left positions will cost them their jobs and privileges. If Corbyn led Labour was on 45%+ in the polls the PLP would simply not be doing this.
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O rly?
 
butchersapron said:
This is not true though - this is all, almost entirely in fact, about electoral success. Their own individual success. This is only an ideological battle in the sense they genuinely think left positions will cost them their jobs and privileges. If Corbyn led Labour was on 45%+ in the polls the PLP would simply not be doing this.
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Like large numbers weren't doing likewise in the early eighties? When they had those 45%+ polls pre-falklands. Not the majority, admittedly, not quite.
 
butchersapron said:
This is not true though - this is all, almost entirely in fact, about electoral success. Their own individual success. This is only an ideological battle in the sense they genuinely think left positions will cost them their jobs and privileges. If Corbyn led Labour was on 45%+ in the polls the PLP would simply not be doing this.
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It can't be all about 'electoral success'; most Labour MPs - like most MPs in all parties - are in safe seats, it would take landslides to remove them. Sure there are the odd 20 or 30 who need to worry but that isn't 174 of them, in fact some of the ardent Corbynistas are in less safe seats than some of the rebels. Moreover, as the right of the party are fond of pointing out, the biggest increases in party membership are in seats which Labour already hold - the right's point is obviously that the membership surge is not going to win them any seats because it's not happening in swing seats, but it makes retaining Labour seats more likely since they may actually be able to put boots on the ground (for the first time in decades in some seats).

They've all got more to worry about from the boundary changes (which are being announced in the next week or so), but that will lose them 30 seats regardless of who's in power.
 
co-op said:
It can't be all about 'electoral success'; most Labour MPs - like most MPs in all parties - are in safe seats, it would take landslides to remove them. Sure there are the odd 20 or 30 who need to worry but that isn't 174 of them, in fact some of the ardent Corbynistas are in less safe seats than some of the rebels. Moreover, as the right of the party are fond of pointing out, the biggest increases in party membership are in seats which Labour already hold - the right's point is obviously that the membership surge is not going to win them any seats because it's not happening in swing seats, but it makes retaining Labour seats more likely since they may actually be able to put boots on the ground (for the first time in decades in some seats).

They've all got more to worry about from the boundary changes (which are being announced in the next week or so), but that will lose them 30 seats regardless of who's in power.
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Making safe seats into non- safe seats.
 
Can anyone bring themselves to watch the Corbyn/UB40 joint press conference live feed?

I was under the impression silly season was supposed to be over.
 
DotCommunist said:
I didn't even think they were still going. Still got a soft spot for '1 in 10'
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Apparently they split, the Campbell (?) brothers not talking to each other, the usual legal battles over the name. Don't know which side it is, but the losers in the legal battle have a title along the lines 'featuring an original member of UB40 and 2 other blokes who were in the band for quite a while'.

edit: oh, as said by THC 10 minutes ago. :facepalm:
 
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