Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[two sheds]

It will never end, I'm telling you now. The actual reality of any interpretation is utterly irrelevant. All that awaits you is endless hair splitting that ignores 90% if what you say and misinterprets the other 10%

I know

 

[Diamond]

Anyway, to swing cross purposes here - peeps need to be fairly careful about what they mean by IP rights versus know-how versus confidential information versus standard-setting/FRAND issues when discussing innovation on a policy level.

 

[two sheds]

The context is the assessment of an application! Isn't that obvious?

Of course it is that's why I asked

But where precisely did the assessment for membership/affiliation etc suggest that the applicant *not* strictly limit themselves to how the applicant present themselves in the "here and now"?

p.s. what kabbes said.

Diamond why are you avoiding this question???

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Anyway, to swing cross purposes here - peeps need to be fairly careful about what they mean by IP rights versus know-how versus confidential information versus standard-setting/FRAND issues when discussing innovation on a policy level.

Exactly.

See mauvais???

 

[Diamond]

Of course it is that's why I asked



Diamond why are you avoiding this question???

I did not say that it did! Where did you get the impression that I took that line...?

e2a - you seem to be getting confused between the basis of the assessment and some imaginary list of required information...

 

[two sheds]

Really?

Yep, I've no idea how these hustings work so if you know better then fine but I find it a bit surprising that the only thing that they would have had to organise around is a date and a place, preventing them from reserving seats.

It all smacks a bit of incompetence being cynically spun.

And your second post - this was bollocks too wasn't it. You're expecting Corbyn and his team to reserve seats on *every* train just so that they get seats? Or perhaps seats on every train every day that week - so depriving *yet more* people on several trains of seats.

And it wasn't actually "Corbyn and his team" who needed seats, was it, it was Corbyn and his wife, we now learn.

Would you like to withdraw the statement that it was a bit of incompetence being cynically spun?

 

[mauvais]

Can I switch rails too?

Never mind the wording, the failure to return the £25 is surely unlawful if push comes to shove - via Unfair Contract Terms Act or similar. At best they might be able to show costs of processing applications and deduct that.

 

[two sheds]

I did not say that it did! Where did you get the impression that I took that line...?

e2a - you seem to be getting confused between the basis of the assessment and some imaginary list of required information...

What did you not say that it did? You're being confusing now.

eta just fuck off from the thread can you

 

[Diamond]

What did you not say that it did? You're being confusing now.

eta just fuck off from the thread can you

I did not say that - the assessment made it a stated requirement for specific information (including beyond the "here and now") to be provided

The problem that you have, I think, is around the idea of the fettering of discretion in the decision making process.

 

[two sheds]

I stand corrected - a family were upgraded, freeing up seats.

Can I just confirm that you originally made 15 posts on the thread accusing Corbyn of dishonesty and all sorts of other things before admitting that you'd been talking a load of bollocks.

Could you please just fuck off this thread you're making no contribution with your pretend lawyerese.

 

[Diamond]

Can I switch rails too?

Never mind the wording, the failure to return the £25 is surely unlawful if push comes to shove - via Unfair Contract Terms Act or similar. At best they might be able to show costs of processing applications and deduct that.

Given that that is dealt explicitly with in the Ts and Cs, which you agree to upon making the application, I don't see how it is unlawful and it's also difficult to see how UCTA would be remotely relevant here.

You agree to those Ts and Cs when you make your application and pay your fee so...

 

[kabbes]

Lol

A so-called lawyer just told us all that if it is in the t and cs, it must be binding.

 

[mauvais]

Given that that is dealt explicitly with in the Ts and Cs, which you agree to upon making the application, I don't see how it is unlawful and it's also difficult to see how UCTA would be remotely relevant here.

You agree to those Ts and Cs when you make your application and pay your fee so...

Heh. I'm not qualified in law by anyone's measure, and yet I'm compelled to wonder if I have more legal knowledge than you. What do you think the UCTA is for exactly?

 

[coley]

I did not say that - the assessment made it a stated requirement for specific information (including beyond the "here and now") to be provided

The problem that you have, I think, is around the idea of the fettering of discretion in the decision making process.

Come the revolution ye'll. be one of the first fuckers fettered and fettled, and consigned to read your offerings on here for the next five years, and if you survive that? transportation can be arranged

 

[Diamond]

Heh. I'm not qualified in law by anyone's measure, and yet I'm compelled to wonder if I have more legal knowledge than you. What do you think the UCTA is for exactly?

I'm not remotely an UCTA specialist but it deals with things like liability, negligence, misrep, indemnities and so on.

The £25 point would go to simple things like consideration and performance.

 

[two sheds]

why are you avoiding the questions Diamond ?

 

[Diamond]

UCTA is not a magic wand to correct a "bad bargain", in other words...

 

[Diamond]

why are you avoiding the questions Diamond ?

You have pressed me for the last several pages on the narrow point around the basis of the assessment referred to by kabbes.

I have very precisely answered you on that and now you have chosen to ignore my answer, told me to fuck off, and then brought up some other distant issues and demanded answers to all of it

What do you want?

 

[two sheds]

UCTA is not a magic wand to correct a "bad bargain", in other words...

how about when the website explicitly promises you a vote if you join up. saying "As a member, you'll be a key part of the team. You'll be eligible to vote in leadership elections ..."?

ah yes and given your extensive grounding in the law could you explain again why it's ok to defraud your insurance company for the price of a bike?

 

[mauvais]

I'm not remotely an UCTA specialist but it deals with things like liability, negligence, misrep, indemnities and so on.

The £25 point would go to simple things like consideration and performance.

Yes, it could be tackled on the basis of consideration, receiving nothing in return. But, and I'm not deeply familiar with UCTA either, hence 'or similar', it seems to me that if the LP fail to discharge their contractual responsibilities (admitting the member) on the basis of a disclaimer, then there is scope for considering whether that disclaimer is reasonable. On reflection it might turn out to be provided for via the Consumer Rights Act 2015, which replaced Unfair Terms In Consumer Contracts. I don't know. Regardless, I would be surprised if I was allowed to set up a non-refundable 'pay to try and join' members' club.

 

[two sheds]

I did not say that - the assessment made it a stated requirement for specific information (including beyond the "here and now") to be provided

The problem that you have, I think, is around the idea of the fettering of discretion in the decision making process.

So why have you ignored my point about your previous contribution to this thread? You know, when you accused Corbyn of being a liar before you realised and apologised for talking bollocks.

This is an interesting thread and you're shitting over it. Please just fuck off to another thread.

 

[belboid]

Anyways - back to JC -

because you've had your arse handed to you on a plate - yet again

 

[timeforanother]

I've lost the point about what Diamond was on about.

On the 'digital' stuff, I was impressed by the lack of bollocks; on the other hand I don't think open source matters in big government contracts, noone will reuse the huge lump of government requirements. Taking it in-house and listeninng to the users seems to matter more (don't get ripped off by the few big companies who bid for this kind of thing).

Broadband for everone seems a bit much for someone who decides to live in the middle of nowhere near a phone cabinet; It will cost a bomb when they chose to be hermit like.

 

[JimW]

Diamond is in fact the early iteration of a GCHQ bot designed to bore any left of liberal discussion into submission by despair. The non-sequiturs were a bug but they've discovered they actually up the efficacy.

 

[timeforanother]

Hopefully the socialist utopia won't require constant growth and we will share things enough that we don't need endless disposable stuff. We will still need to decide what we put resources into.

I'm not suggesting JC will make evrything good. I trust he will shake things up enough that it gets a bit better.

 

[two sheds]

I've lost the point about what Diamond was on about.

I don't think he had one

Broadband for everone seems a bit much for someone who decides to live in the middle of nowhere near a phone cabinet; It will cost a bomb when they chose to be hermit like.

Hasn't everyone got broadband now? I'm in the middle of nowhere and we left dialup behind several years ago.

 

[timeforanother]

Hasn't everyone got broadband now? I'm in the middle of nowhere and we left dialup behind several years ago.[/QUOTE]
There are still folks in leafy bits considering satelite, not realising the limitations and cost, well before you get to the most isolated parts of these islands.

 

[two sheds]

I'm in the arse-end of cornwall - don't even have mobile reception but I got broadband.

And you do realize that Scotland doesn't count.






/scarpers

 

[timeforanother]

I'm in the arse-end of cornwall - don't even have mobile reception but I got broadband.

And you do realize that Scotland doesn't count.






/scarpers

Didn't Cornwall get independance ages ago, in the great pasty wars?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Didn't Cornwall get independance ages ago, in the great pasty wars?

Top-crimped oval Devon pasty FTW