Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But not much?I listen to it all the time and they do come any more lowbrow than me
coley
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Corbyns going in the right direction but we really need a Simon Rattle.
coley
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Oi, how did you do that? I said "don't" in my post and it's disappeared!
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
We need the RPO rather than the RTO.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
vivaldi's four seasons. Everyone loves that. Secretly he has some rare recordings of Captain Sensible's solo work which he listens to while fucking a marrowand what does he mean he likes 'some aspects' of classical music? Oh, I like piano and bassoon but not any of the other stuff. Or maybe the artisan jam crafter only likes non mainstream, underground classical
I suppose what he really means is he likes classical music but because he doesn't want to seem too "high-brow or wealthy" he wouldn't come straight out and say it.
cantsin
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and what does he mean he likes 'some aspects' of classical music? Oh, I like piano and bassoon but not any of the other stuff. Or maybe the artisan jam crafter only likes non mainstream, underground classical
I suppose what he really means is he likes classical music but because he doesn't want to seem too "high-brow or wealthy" he wouldn't come straight out and say it.
am not quite sure what you mean here - do you think only liking some forms / eras / sub genre's of 'classical music' is somehow picky ? Do you just like all 'pop' or 'rock' or something ?
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
He only likes the early (music) stuff.
Thankyou very much, I'm here all week. Actually I'm going to go the fuck out and stop interneting now.
cantsin
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I've got him down more as a Stockhausen kinda guy tbh
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Bakfark ftw
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Ah but he didn't claim not to be wealthy did he, he said he didn't "consider" himself wealthy. Very different things. I do consider myself wealthy, for example, even though I don't have a fraction of his money.
so if you ask someone what music they like and they tell you pop music do you assume they like every bit of pop music? I mean, it's not a big deal I just find it funny the way he's trying to present his image.
or maybe he was talking about spiritual wealth
andysays
Love and solidarity
The point I was trying to make, and maybe I made it badly, is that people seem to me to be picking up the aspect of this story which the Daily Mail has chosen to push, ie the fact that Corbyn apparently* said he doesn't consider himself to be wealthy.
If he did say it, it was at the least a careless thing to say, but the context in which he said it, speaking about a new policy to fund the arts, makes it rather different, IMO, than if he'd said something along the lines of "I don't consider myself to be wealthy, and if I can manage on my £137k salary, I don't know why those on minimum wage/zero hour contracts can't do just as well". Except I'm not sure that the DM would have chosen to highlight that in quite the same way.
But behind the business about whether JC is wealthy or not, there is another possible story about a new policy he's announcing. Maybe this arts-supporting policy is good; maybe it's not. Maybe there is even some way in which a discussion about it could support a wider discussion about whether Corbynite social-democracy is really all that its supporters are claiming. But because everyone has followed the line of least resistance, pointing out the obvious fact that whether Corbyn considers himself wealthy or not, he certainly is by most people's standards, any chance of having that discussion has been lost.
And clearly anyone is allowed to point that out and to focus on that, I just find it a little disappointing at times.
* and I say apparently because as far as I've seen, the Mail is the only source of this story, and I don't think it's impossible that they have distorted the quote to fit their agenda.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm interested in what people on here have said about someone with that amount of money not being wealthy, nothing about corbyn himself. And also the way in which they've said that.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I agree that that is interesting.
I guess some people feel they have to support him whatever the likes of the DM throws at him, even if they end up following the terms the DM has set. I'd rather the discussion wasn't reduced to if he is wealthy or not (of course he is FFS, he's been an MP for 30+ years and even before that he comes from a background which most would regard as wealthy), but focussed more on how far his approach is likely to get.
I still have very serious doubts, but they're more a gut rejection of what looks like reheated social democracy than anything I can argue coherently, which is why I'm hoping that can be part of the discussion here - it's unlikely to be happening any where else I'm aware of.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
in the end the implication, from DM etc is to reassure the reader that St J is actually a massive hypocrite cos he earns more than a workers wage. Therefore his principles are just bollocks and he is duping thick plebs with his rabble rousing ways. Really is all this is. But he deffo will be getting the rounds in should I ever be in the same public house, the flush cunt 
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
He used to like Bach, then he went all mainstream.and what does he mean he likes 'some aspects' of classical music? Oh, I like piano and bassoon but not any of the other stuff. Or maybe the artisan jam crafter only likes non mainstream, underground classical
I suppose what he really means is he likes classical music but because he doesn't want to seem too "high-brow or wealthy" he wouldn't come straight out and say it.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Another victory for the bearded assassin
The Pale King
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Snitches get stitches
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
In all the bakery puns, I'd missed the Mark Serwotka story.
Perhaps totally insignificant, but I attended one of the many EUref debate meetings that Serwotka addresssed; he was articulating the party line for remain.
Perhaps totally insignificant, but I attended one of the many EUref debate meetings that Serwotka addresssed; he was articulating the party line for remain.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Just heard Radio 4's hatchet job on Seumas Milne. Listen again here:
Seumas Milne, Profile - BBC Radio 4
Seumas Milne, Profile - BBC Radio 4
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Might be why I thought I'd missed it! I had, by almost exactly 12 months!
In my defence...of a piece with current LP gerrymandering of the selectorate.
Vintage Paw
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Jeremy is coming to Stoke on the 1st. No venue - it's an outdoor 90 minute event before he heads up to Glasgow I think. Bloke must be bloody knackered.
Owen Smith came to Stoke today (or yesterday). About 25 people turned up.
In other news, I learned a fun anecdote about Angela Eagle today. She once (1992 I think) went for selection in Stoke South (or was it North? I think South). During her speech to convince people to choose her, she said something along the lines of, "you should choose me because if you don't you'll be depriving yourself of cabinet material."
wtf?
She wasn't selected.
Owen Smith came to Stoke today (or yesterday). About 25 people turned up.
In other news, I learned a fun anecdote about Angela Eagle today. She once (1992 I think) went for selection in Stoke South (or was it North? I think South). During her speech to convince people to choose her, she said something along the lines of, "you should choose me because if you don't you'll be depriving yourself of cabinet material."
wtf?
She wasn't selected.
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