Like killer b said, would you be defending Corbyn's claim not to be wealthy if it was from Owen Smith for example, or a Tory or Lib Dem? He's a career politician, don't cut him any slack.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Before this issue rolls on any further, maybe it's worth pausing to remind ourselves where and how this issue came up.
This is the quote as it appeared within the Daily Mail's report, using the opportunity of JC announcing a proposed new policy as a chance to attack him
Corbyn's not above criticism, but is it really necessary to do it on terms defined by the Daily Mail? Or maybe some of you think that "high" arts such as ballet and opera should be the preserve of the wealthy...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
People are talking about the claim that having that much money and resources means you're wealthy or not - regardless of where the discussion started. Your post would only make sense if people were attacking corbyn (no one has) under clear manipulation from the Daily Mail. That's not what's happened. How else would you wish a discussion of a wealthy man claiming not to be wealthy to proceed? Who is allowed to point it out to make it not in terms defined by the Daily Mail?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You first. You seem to think Corbyn is "very wealthy".
Fez909
toilet expert
I've already defined it ffs. A lot more money than everyone else. Corbyn fits the bill.
Your go.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You're only asking me that question because I disputed your claim that Corbyn was "very wealthy". It's not a good look.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You can facepalm all you like. I disputed your claim that he was "very wealthy" and you repeated it.
we've stopped the puns now, thank you.
and it's alright, I hadn't forgotten how it came up. Can I only disagree with things said by Corbyn if they are quoted in approved publications? and what would those be, for future reference?
I don't really follow you, how has it defined the terms? And if it has, how could I have avoided it? I'm disagreeing with Corbyn's claim that he's not wealthy - how should I have gone about it?
if you think 'some' argued anything approaching that feel free to quote those posts and argue with them directly because I don't see what it has to do with what I've said.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
The most expensive ticket at ROH next season is £225. Many tickets at lower prices too. Even at that price corbyn could choose to go every month and treat a friend if that's how he wanted to prioritise his money. So if the definition of wealthy is can afford to go to the ROH once a month paying top whack then he's wealthy.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
well he still rides a bike and farms marrows and makes jam for his entertainment. Thats the sort of genteel asceticism we can all get behind. When I say all, I mean everyone other than me. I'm on my yacht snorting marching powder.
coley
Well-Known Member
I haven't, his finances seem fairly modest considering his career and his position, he's wealthy compared to mr average, but not disgustingly so.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
from where I'm standing its the life of riley.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh I could go once a month at that rate if I cut out croissants and sandwiches and coffee and Marlborough buns. Couldn't take someone else but would probably do wonders for my health. But I think I'll keep my breakfasts and dinners.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He has shuffled the goalposts from very wealthy to wealthy
coley
Well-Known Member
Don't forget the fizzy lemonade
coley
Well-Known Member
EtA, what are " Marlborough buns"?Don't forget the fizzy lemonade
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. I'll cut out the shoplifting too.Don't forget the fizzy lemonade
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Very nice
so we are agreed that he was wrong to claim not to be wealthy though? I mean, if the Mail quote is accurate he's on £137 000 a year.
I'm not disgusted by it, it's just laughable. I don't know what world he lives in where that's not wealthy (well, a parliament full of millionaires I guess, but not the world most of us live in).
Fez909
toilet expert
I only did that because I didn't want to get into a discussion about wealthy vs very wealthy. But I know it when I see it, and Corbyn is very wealthy.
Fuck your goalposts.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. You say lots of things it turns out you don't mean.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Maybe one day we'll wake up and Jeremy Corbyn will never have existed. There'll be a small cross section of society who won't be able to remember what they talked about for about a year and will be haunted by the idea that they've wasted a lot of time on something but can't quite say what it is. The main thought will be, 'I'm sure Labour leader Andy Burnham looked healthier/younger/less stressed yesterday' and 'just what IS it about marrows?'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And? Where are you going with this or is your entire point that he is 'very wealthy' iyo? That he's a vile hypocrite without an honest bone in his body?
Fez909
toilet expert
Nope. I like Corbyn, and would vote for him had I not been banned from doing so. But to claim he's not wealthy is ridiculous, and doesn't help his cause.
and what does he mean he likes 'some aspects' of classical music? Oh, I like piano and bassoon but not any of the other stuff. Or maybe the artisan jam crafter only likes non mainstream, underground classical 
I suppose what he really means is he likes classical music but because he doesn't want to seem too "high-brow or wealthy" he wouldn't come straight out and say it.
I suppose what he really means is he likes classical music but because he doesn't want to seem too "high-brow or wealthy" he wouldn't come straight out and say it.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
It doesn't matter very much. We've established a long time ago that he doesn't handle some situations as well as he could if he wasn't him. In this case had he left it at 'I don't consider myself highbrow - but cellos and that' everything would be fine. That said, we or the papers and twitter probably wouldn't have said anything at all and therefore Arts funding wouldn't be having such (all be it whatever the word my hungover brain can't think off for when something is a secondary focus for a discussion) coverage. See also traingate. Perhaps he's using his reasonably priced beard trimmer he got in a sale at a local supermarket and looking in his mirror chuckling to himself and thinking 'Firky and Ninjaboy are amateurs at this trolling shit'
I will conceed that the idea that Corbyn is actually a post-everything genius at manipulating the media agenda by deliberately focusing ire on his personality which lures his opponents into discussing the very topics he knows will gently manipulate public thinking towards a realisation of the failings of neo-liberal society seems unlikely but y'know, hey - we're through about the 8th looking glass with all this stuff and I don't know which way is up or down anymore.
I like it when he gets grumpy and tells journos and Owen Smith off. Should do more of that.
I will conceed that the idea that Corbyn is actually a post-everything genius at manipulating the media agenda by deliberately focusing ire on his personality which lures his opponents into discussing the very topics he knows will gently manipulate public thinking towards a realisation of the failings of neo-liberal society seems unlikely but y'know, hey - we're through about the 8th looking glass with all this stuff and I don't know which way is up or down anymore.
I like it when he gets grumpy and tells journos and Owen Smith off. Should do more of that.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
and what does he mean he likes 'some aspects' of classical music? Oh, I like piano and bassoon but not any of the other stuff. Or maybe the artisan jam crafter only likes non mainstream, underground classical
I suppose what he really means is he likes classical music but because he doesn't want to seem too "high-brow or wealthy" he wouldn't come straight out and say it.
It means he listens to Classic FM when he's having breakfast.
coley
Well-Known Member
Shows you have to be very careful what you say when their is as many knives aimed at your back!
He should have been more careful in the way he phrased his comment.
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