Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Diamond]

Link.

Why would it make more sense? Because they should take advantage of privilege?

Every time you come up with a shitty reason that Corbyn must have lied about this, you're given an answer, and then you come up with an even shittier reason. It's totally pathetic.

I stand corrected - a family were upgraded, freeing up seats.

 

[brogdale]

That's why Corbyn's reaction will be interesting - because all of this goes to credibility.

"All" of this!
lol
You vacuous tool.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

To be fair Corbyn could never win whatever he did. Sit on the floor? Cynical publicity stunt. Sit in an empty but reserved chair? Entitled Corbyn steals seat from hardworking family. Upgrade to first class? Hypocritical champagne socialist expects better treatment than the rest of us.

 

[Diamond]

The Guardian quotes a Labour source saying that the issue was that Corbyn couldn't find a pair of available seats together.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Oh and the fourth option - stand up in isle? Corbyn forces crotch into old ladies face.

 

[Diamond]

I think the central point as to why this is an issue is pretty obvious - if you make a political point in this way, you should expect scrutiny when the facts don't stack up.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Yes, that's definitely the central point.

 

[mauvais]

To be fair Corbyn could never win whatever he did. Sit on the floor? Cynical publicity stunt. Sit in an empty but reserved chair? Entitled Corbyn steals seat from hardworking family. Upgrade to first class? Hypocritical champagne socialist expects better treatment than the rest of us.

Disembark, spot a landslide, run down the track and use a stray red petticoat to flag down the express and prevent a tragedy?

Witness him flaunt his disgusting Stalinist undergarments of the hard-left as innocent hardworking™ people look on in horror

 

[brogdale]

In all this pathetic non-story..it turns out...there is a story; plenty of tory no-mark MPs have been on social media joining with the Labour right. Funny that, I thought the tory line was that he was an unelectable liability that they wanted to preserve in situ. Hmmm

 

[inva]

No it won't be. This 'scandal' is the least interesting thing on earth.

it's slightly more interesting than say the intricacies of the Labour Party rule book tbf

 

[Diamond]

Also, taking a step back - this was also clearly an attempt to frame the political debate in that day's news cycle ahead of his performance in the hustings.

 

[gosub]

one interesting thing has been seeing all the media tosspots running with it all day, without getting a second source, despite the fact it was a packed train and should be pretty easy to corroborate. Now people who were actually on the train have got home from work and their reports have started to filter through, every one of them (that I've seen) supports Corbyn's version.

not really 6 oclock news did the first 10mins on people in track suits get on a plane. Then this, then gender pay differences based on a think tank piece that could have been published anytime: S L O W newsday

+ on coorbiration. Happened a few weeks back, this is Virgin train pr counter attack

 

[Mr.Dogg]

Apparently seats became free when people got off according to those witnesses but my understanding is that there were no stops for anyone to get off at between the video being shot and when staff found him a seat.

Do you never get on busy trains? As someone who often ends up sat on the floor, this is usually what happens- people get on the train, they avoid the empty reserved seats because it's embarrassing for all people concerned when someone comes along and tells you you're sat on their seat. You walk past unreserved seats with bags on, again in a desperate attempt to avoid the embarrassment of asking people to move their shit, hoping to find another empty seat in the next carriage to avoid any form of social interaction. You then try the next carriage (at this point you're thinking "shit, I should have just asked that wanker to move their bags"), onto the next carriage and.. SHIT! It's the the last one and it's full. You turn back hoping to find one of the earlier empty ones but crap, the corridors between carriages has people stood up- there must be no seats anywhere! Resigned, you slump onto the floor. About half an hour into the train journey, the guard pulls off all the reserved tickets that aren't taken and starts telling the people who are standing that there are seats further down. They tell people to move their bags off the seats. It's not fraud or incompetence, it's just how trains work.

 

[brogdale]

Telegraph.
"...much more dishonest..."

 

[killer b]

I know it's a slow news day. Not sure if it's ever slow enough to unquestioningly publish a press release calling the leader of the opposition a liar without corroboration though.

 

[nino_savatte]

To be fair the most dodgy politician I remember was John Stonehouse, mostly due to my brother-in-law pushing me to the floor so he could stab the radio with a carving knife during a news bulletin about Stonehouse.
People were a lot more passionate about politics back then!

Yes, the man who faked his own death and resurfaced in Australia, where he was arrested iirc. What a dick.

 

[Mr.Dogg]

Telegraph.
"...much more dishonest..."

Do you think all these critics genuinely believe their own shit? That Corbyn really is a racist, misogynistic, Trotskyite Commie-Nazi liar, ISIS supporting, IRA loving, anti-semitic fraud, peace loving hippy- pacifist bully, allotment growing danger to Britain? I mean at the very least he's straddling a lot of ideologies there- it's quite an impressive achievement.

 

[Diamond]

Do you never get on busy trains? As someone who often ends up sat on the floor, this is usually what happens- people get on the train, they avoid the empty reserved seats because it's embarrassing for all people concerned when someone comes along and tells you you're sat on their seat. You walk past unreserved seats with bags on, again in a desperate attempt to avoid the embarrassment of asking people to move their shit, hoping to find another empty seat in the next carriage to avoid any form of social interaction. You then try the next carriage (at this point you're thinking "shit, I should have just asked that wanker to move their bags"), onto the next carriage and.. SHIT! It's the the last one and it's full. You turn back hoping to find one of the earlier empty ones but crap, the corridors between carriages has people stood up- there must be no seats anywhere! Resigned, you slump onto the floor. About half an hour into the train journey, the guard pulls off all the reserved tickets that aren't taken and starts telling the people who are standing that there are seats further down. They tell people to move their bags off the seats. It's not fraud or incompetence, it's just how trains work.

But that's not really evidence of market failure, is it?

Especially if you have to go through that rigmarole because you have missed reserved seats on an earlier train, as explained by another poster above.

 

[Mr.Dogg]

I know it's a slow news day. Not sure if it's ever slow enough to unquestioningly publish a press release calling the leader of the opposition a liar without corroboration though.

This is one of those stories the press want to believe, so they don't bother fact-checking it

 

[gosub]

Telegraph.
"...much more dishonest..."

From here on in the news is going to get very dull if it moves to focus on the reveal that "straight after the photo was taken, they put the paint brush down without actually painting any of it." The worst it makes him is a politiciany as the rest of them.
Then it goes on to say he smeared Virgin trains " a respected private company with a global reputation" - that just about works, but only if they advertise Virgin Trains as better than the Mumbai rush hour.

 

[Mr.Dogg]

But that's not really evidence of market failure, is it?

Especially if you have to go through that rigmarole because you have missed reserved seats on an earlier train, as explained by another poster above.

You really don't take trains often do you? Everyone who does will declare them a failure, honestly I hate them- always late, usually over crowded, stupidly expensive. I missed having a last evening with my dad before he became bed ridden due to terminal cancer because the trains were 3 hours late. The amount of time stolen by them- friends I was meant to meet up with, appointments I was meant to make, work I've been late for. I even get trains hours before I even have to be there for and they're still late!

 

[gosub]

You really don't take trains often do you? Everyone who does will declare them a failure, honestly I hate them- always late, usually over crowded, stupidly expensive. I missed having a last evening with my dad before he became bed ridden due to terminal cancer because the trains were 3 hours late. The amount of time stolen by them- friends I was meant to meet up with, appointments I was meant to make, work I've been late for. I even get trains hours before I even have to be there for and they're still late!

tbf His answer of "more trains" would probably make things worse - its longer trains or double decker trains- to allow more passangers to travel without further congesting the railways

 

[Diamond]

You really don't take trains often do you? Everyone who does will declare them a failure, honestly I hate them- always late, usually over crowded, stupidly expensive. I missed having a last evening with my dad before he became bed ridden due to terminal cancer because the trains were 3 hours late. The amount of time stolen by them- friends I was meant to meet up with, appointments I was meant to make, work I've been late for. I even get trains hours before I even have to be there for and they're still late!

I took one on Sunday evening from Salisbury to London - it was very busy but I got an unreserved seat and my ticket was a bargain £16 because I got it last minute.

But I don't dispute that the service is normally abysmal and extremely expensive and I really am sorry to hear about your Dad.

 

[Mr.Dogg]

tbf His answer of "more trains" would probably make things worse - its longer trains or double decker trains- to allow more passangers to travel without further congesting the railways

I think the thing holding back double decker trains is the cost of heightening all the bridges. I think Corbyn has a much more holistic solution to train overcrowding- yes more trains, but also rectifying the housing crisis, which is a big reason for all the long distance commuting

 

[mauvais]

I think the thing holding back double decker trains is the cost of heightening all the bridges. I think Corbyn has a much more holistic solution to train overcrowding- yes more trains, but also rectifying the housing crisis, which is a big reason for all the long distance commuting

Turning into the transport forum but they've raised a load of bridges/lowered tunnels on routes out of Southampton to accommodate some standard of increased height containers. Bit more of an undertaking to do e.g. a whole mainline but not impossible.

 

[scifisam]

tbf His answer of "more trains" would probably make things worse - its longer trains or double decker trains- to allow more passangers to travel without further congesting the railways

Double-decker trains aren't a goer due to bridges and longer trains usually have a problem with train station platforms not being long enough. If it's just one or two stations that can't be extended then you can warn the people in those carriages, but if it's most of them then it's not really workable. "More trains" is something that can be done almost instantly.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Double-decker trains aren't a goer due to bridges and longer trains usually have a problem with train station platforms not being long enough. If it's just one or two stations that can't be extended then you can warn the people in those carriages, but if it's most of them then it's not really workable. "More trains" is something that can be done almost instantly.

Yep. Mind you pretty often, just 'trains as long as can already be accommodated' would be an improvement.

tis a shame about the double-deckers.

 

[gosub]

Double-decker trains aren't a goer due to bridges and longer trains usually have a problem with train station platforms not being long enough. If it's just one or two stations that can't be extended then you can warn the people in those carriages, but if it's most of them then it's not really workable. "More trains" is something that can be done almost instantly.

Live by the line they are going to trial double deckers on Waterloo- Basingtoke. At present a lot of outbound trains split at Woking to reduce the congestion to Waterloo and Clapham. The track round London terminuses is v.busy

 

[killer b]

quite, how many times have you been waiting on a crowded platform and a two-carriage train (already full) turns up?

 

[8den]

Haven't seen the free upgrade stuff - links?

And wouldn't it make more sense to upgrade Corbyn and his team to first class if that was possible anyway?

BECAUSE JEREMY CORBYN IS NOT GEORGE FUCKING OBSOURNE YOU DAFT COCKWOMBLE.