Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Yes you're absolutely right, realising they missed the train, Corbyn's elite black OPs team staged an elaborate photo op, that destroyed the reputation of innocent Virgin trains.

I know, right?! Because Virgin trains are just *so* good!

 

[Buckaroo]

Ok - I'll step through this possible narrative:

Corbyn team forget to reserve a number of seats (5+?) on busy train to known meeting.

End up having to make do - decide to ignore available seats and/or split up (as normal passengers would do) and instead turn an inconvenient cock-up into a PR op, which unfortunately doesn't quite stack up when everything comes out in the wash.

Shit Jez we forgot we're going by train to that meeting even though we're on a fucking train and there's loads of available seats but we can't sit together so get on your arse and we'll make it look like the world has gone to shit. If that doesn't do it next time you're on the roof etc

eta he's not a 'normal' passenger, the other fella is

 

[YouSir]

It goes, either way, directly to his personal credibility.

This looks a lot like Jeremy Corbyn doing the kind of stuff that Jeremy Corbyn apparently never does.

Only it doesn't, if you bother listening to the people who were there rather than playing CSI Boring Cunt.

 

[two sheds]

It goes, either way, directly to his personal credibility.

This looks a lot like Jeremy Corbyn doing the kind of stuff that Jeremy Corbyn apparently never does.

You don't believe the people who were sat/stood in the corridors at the time because there were no spare seats? You believe Virgin trains heavily commercial PR release above them?

 

[Diamond]

I remember at the time that the original video was published thinking that it was shot from a pretty odd angle which totally excluded any other passengers, seating etc but assumed it was done for reasons of privacy.

 

[killer b]

stop replying to the wanker - it's turning this thread into twitter, 4 hours ago.

 

[Beermoth]

Will be fascinating to see how Corbyn responds anyway.

No it won't be. This 'scandal' is the least interesting thing on earth.

 

[a_chap]

...Corbyn's elite black OPs team...

Racist

 

[8den]

Or how about they decided to make the best of a bad situation?

So they staged a photo op of Jeremy sitting on the ground, which is something that never happens to ordinary commuters on Virgin trains.

Fucking hell the PLP and "traingate" are making the GOP with the Benghazi fetish look positively sane.

 

[Diamond]

You don't believe the people who were sat/stood in the corridors at the time because there were no spare seats? You believe Virgin trains heavily commercial PR release above them?

Apparently seats became free when people got off according to those witnesses but my understanding is that there were no stops for anyone to get off at between the video being shot and when staff found him a seat.

 

[Diamond]

I.e same number of people, same number of seats throughout the relevant time

 

[Diamond]

So they staged a photo op of Jeremy sitting on the ground, which is something that never happens to ordinary commuters on Virgin trains.

Fucking hell the PLP and "traingate" are making the GOP with the Benghazi fetish look positively sane.

It's a 50 second or so video of a man sat next to a train door - not exactly big budget stuff

 

[killer b]

No it won't be. This 'scandal' is the least interesting thing on earth.

one interesting thing has been seeing all the media tosspots running with it all day, without getting a second source, despite the fact it was a packed train and should be pretty easy to corroborate. Now people who were actually on the train have got home from work and their reports have started to filter through, every one of them (that I've seen) supports Corbyn's version.

 

[Buckaroo]

It's a 50 second or so video of a man sat next to a train door - not exactly big budget stuff

Not much of a PR stunt then?

 

[Knotted]

Yes - there's not much they can say. They can't articulate a different political position because they haven't got one. They haven't got any politics full stop. That's why this is simply a battle for control, for ownership. Which is why i think this 'they're not scared of corbyn, they're scared of you' is so much desperate please let it be true guff. They're scared for their individual jobs.

I've got three thoughts on this. Firstly it strikes me as amazing just how vacuous Angela Eagle's abortive bid for leadership was and it's amazing just how far Owen Smith is willing to crib from Corbyn and McDonnell. They really don't have any new ideas, or at least any new ideas that they are willing to pitch to the membership.

My second thought is that they (anti-Corbyn MPs and Labour members in general regardless of their particular alignment) can't continue this state of guerilla warfare for too long without threatening many of those MP's jobs. Come the general election and if Labour are still in a faction fight they are going to be all but wiped out. Not only that, although it would force Corbyn to resign, it would still injure their cause against the pro-Corbyn membership as they would lose a chunk of their greatest asset in this faction fight ie. the members of parliament who refuse to work with Corbyn (or whoever will be the heir to Corbyn).

Thirdly you are going to have some MPs and bigwigs who are going to want to run for cover, cut losses and try to sit out Corbyn's leadership. This united front, which I still think is impressive in terms of organisation (they've actually managed to herd cats!), surely cannot survive the leadership contest if Corbyn gets anything above 60% of the vote.

So I'm inclined to say that a split isn't on the cards and a prolonged Mexican standoff (perhaps with annual leadership challenges and alternative shadow cabinets) is also off the cards.

 

[two sheds]

Apparently seats became free when people got off according to those witnesses but my understanding is that there were no stops for anyone to get off at between the video being shot and when staff found him a seat.

And they were lying when they said the guards moved people around to free more space?

 

[Diamond]

Not much of a PR stunt then?

They don't always work exactly as intended...

 

[mauvais]

I've just heard that Jonny Chilcot's been summoned. He'll be at Labour HQ by this time next year.

 

[Diamond]

And they were lying when they said the guards moved people around to free more space?

Isn't that worse - the real complaint was that there weren't multiple seats immediately available together for Corbyn's team who had already missed their train with reserved seats necessitating the intervention of the guards to create sufficient space while in the interim Corbyn is doing a piece to camera on the floor about how horrendously under-resourced the trains are...

 

[8den]

It's a 50 second or so video of a man sat next to a train door - not exactly big budget stuff

They'd be literally be no point. Why because it would explode back in their face. Passengers on the train would spot the publicity stunt, and post it on social media. If it was staged Corbyn's credibly would be ruined, and for what, a minor story.

The fact is, passengers support Corbyn's claim, while the Billionaire owner of a railway Corbyn wants to nationalise attacks him. That's why I dont believe Branson. That and Branson is a cunt.

 

[scifisam]

Apparently seats became free when people got off according to those witnesses but my understanding is that there were no stops for anyone to get off at between the video being shot and when staff found him a seat.

They said the staff started "shuffling people around" - that is, upgrading some people to first class, which freed up spaces in regular carriages. No stops needed.

 

[Diamond]

That's why Corbyn's reaction will be interesting - because all of this goes to credibility.

He made a statement that played on his credibility and authenticity. Now he's being challenged on that.

I suspect that he'll try and dismiss this all as being inconsequential and of no real importance, which would be characteristic and also very damaging.

 

[8den]

That's why Corbyn's reaction will be interesting - because all of this goes to credibility.

He made a statement that played on his credibility and authenticity. Now he's being challenged on that.

I suspect that he'll try and dismiss this all as being inconsequential and of no real importance, which would be characteristic and also very damaging.

Oh fuck off Diamond.

 

[Diamond]

They said the staff started "shuffling people around" - that is, upgrading some people to first class, which freed up spaces in regular carriages. No stops needed.

Haven't seen the free upgrade stuff - links?

And wouldn't it make more sense to upgrade Corbyn and his team to first class if that was possible anyway?

 

[YouSir]

That's why Corbyn's reaction will be interesting - because all of this goes to credibility.

He made a statement that played on his credibility and authenticity. Now he's being challenged on that.

I suspect that he'll try and dismiss this all as being inconsequential and of no real importance, which would be characteristic and also very damaging.

Are you a shit journalist by trade by any chance?

 

[Buckaroo]

They don't always work exactly as intended...

Well obviously because in this case as you said, they missed the fucking train!

 

[mauvais]

Virgin don't really run the East Coast railway, by the way, even though it's their name on it. It's 10% Virgin, and the rest mostly Stagecoach. So a different cunt.

 

[scifisam]

Haven't seen the free upgrade stuff - links?

And wouldn't it make more sense to upgrade Corbyn and his team to first class if that was possible anyway?

Link.

Why would it make more sense? Because they should take advantage of privilege?

Every time you come up with a shitty reason that Corbyn must have lied about this, you're given an answer, and then you come up with an even shittier reason. It's totally pathetic.

 

[two sheds]

Isn't that worse - the real complaint was that there weren't multiple seats immediately available together for Corbyn's team who had already missed their train with reserved seats necessitating the intervention of the guards to create sufficient space while in the interim Corbyn is doing a piece to camera on the floor about how horrendously under-resourced the trains are...

you're havin a larf. Lots of people were in corridors so he sat in a corridor rather than upgrading to first class. I've been in trains where they didn't upgrade us oiks to first class even though the rest of the train was overflowing.

 

[two sheds]

Link.

Why would it make more sense? Because they should take advantage of privilege?

Every time you come up with a shitty reason that Corbyn must have lied about this, you're given an answer, and then you come up with an even shittier reason. It's totally pathetic.

Anyone would think he's a lawyer or something.