Fair enough, that's a reasonable point to make against Corbynism. But I'm not a Corbynite.
I meant how can these 172 MPs actually support a broad left coalition? A coalition with who? You're ceding ground to these people by even saying this tbh. The whole point of this last throw of the labour left dice is to make it not about them.
didn't mean to imply you were, just commenting that it's not specifically a blairite trait
well, it kind of 'is' a Blairite trait. I'd just say that the Labour left are also infected by it - and not only in terms of the words.
Ok, I understand the point. But last time there was a genuinely left-leaning Labour leadership, it took the SDP split to sabotage them. The Labour Party also produced the likes of McDonnell. What the Labour Party is for is a contested thing, surely.
That truism about Labour having the historic role of managing the working class, the relationship with organised Labour, wage demands etc - all still true. Didn't McDonnell say he would stick with the idea that the deficit had to be reduced? Even with his social democratic politics, that indicates he's still in the same game to me.
Really? It's what this thread is all about.
To the victor the spoils. A machine for what? It's purpose has to be to stop anything from the left. That's the game.
yes I'm pretty sure he did. this is part of his proposed 'fiscal credibility rule' iirc
this from Richard Murphy suggests it was still his policy as of the beginning of this month at least.
When was the last time an incoming government said "no, we're not sticking by the last government's spending plans" or "we are
When was the last time an incoming government said "no, we're not sticking by the last government's spending plans" or "we are of the opinion the deficit should be increased"?
Yeah, but that's my point. McDonnell is playing by the rules.
No duck houses? Fucking outrageous!£74,962 in fact - plus free travel, a free flat in London (which you can air b&b during the hols), free salaries to employ your partner & kids as office managers, plus all the free stationery and duck houses you want
remember the chartists demand for MP wages so that men 'without means' could draw a wage and thusly parliament wouldn't be so rotten? That fucking went very well. The theiving cunts. Workers wage now!£74,962 in fact - plus free travel, a free flat in London (which you can air b&b during the hols), free salaries to employ your partner & kids as office managers, plus all the free stationery and duck houses you want
Yep. And they keep voting themselves 11% pay rises.
Like a really desperate antibiotic.
on the basis that he agrees this deficit should be reduced.
Glancing through that, there's a few trends and what ifs that are probably true (regardless of the motivations of the ex-mp who wrote it). However I suspect that they won't affect the result too much. On the other side of the equation there will be members old and new who are sick at the right and their treachery. In a situation where there's hardly any data that can be relied on, my pure guess would be Corbyn winning with around 53-4%.
