Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[crossthebreeze]

Signposts never chime

No, they whistle

 

[coley]

Or a refill

Just had one, the cats didn't though

 

[treelover]

"Ditch Corbyn or Lose Election"


Breaking, Observer will have a major article by Sadiq Khan in which he will say "Corbyn is a disastrous leader" and backs Smith.

 

[Casually Red]

An IRA memorial, don't imagine PIRAs mentioned on it, though yer link won't lift?

It doesn't specifically mention anyone . It's a memorial to ALL those who were killed persuing Irish freedom by means of insurrection and insurgency. That would include PIRA as well as all the other manifestations of the IRA . Past and current . It's a ..politically embarassing..fact , whether you approve or not .

 

[Casually Red]

Would love to have known what "auld Charlie" was actually thinking, realpolitik can be a real bastard.

" as you're a British military intelligence operative my mum is your commander in chief . Well done getting your chaps to accept her glorious reign over you and surrender their guns to her commissioned officer representative, General de Chastelain . Top notch job . Couldn't have asked for more "

Something along those lines.

 

[coley]

It doesn't specifically mention anyone . It's a memorial to ALL those who were killed persuing Irish freedom by means of insurrection and insurgency. That would include PIRA as well as all the other manifestations of the IRA . Past and current . It's a ..politically embarassing..fact , whether you approve or not .

As your link to it won't open I can't really comment, but given how the newly 'independent' Irish republicans went at each other hammer n tong after independence, then I imagine any sentiments expressed on said memorial are rather 'open to interpretation'

 

[Mr.Bishie]

As your link to it won't open I can't really comment, but given how the newly 'independent' Irish republicans went at each other hammer n tong after independence, then I imagine any sentiments expressed on said memorial are rather 'open to interpretation'

Basically JC is a terrorist supporting cunt, & Maam isn't, for doing exactly the same thing.

 

[coley]

" as you're a British military intelligence operative my mum is your commander in chief . Well done getting your chaps to accept her glorious reign over you and surrender their guns to her commissioned officer representative, General de Chastelain . Top notch job . Couldn't have asked for more "

Something along those lines.

Aye quite, but "I'm going to remember you had a hand in knocking off me uncle, make sure yer toast before I'm king, or I'll come looking"

 

[J Ed]

Basically JC is a terrorist supporting cunt, & Maam isn't, for doing exactly the same thing.

Premature peacemongering

 

[Casually Red]

As your link to it won't open I can't really comment, but given how the newly 'independent' Irish republicans went at each other hammer n tong after independence, then I imagine any sentiments expressed on said memorial are rather 'open to interpretation'

It wasn't built until 1966 . We don't have full independence yet . Interpret that . Or imagine what you prefer. All the same to me.

But the memorial is what it is . A memorial to ALL who died in the cause of Irish freedom . In 1966 when it was built it was very much recognised by the southern state that full Irish freedom had not been achieved. no patriot is excluded from it. Very deliberately. There's no dates, no cut off points. Very deliberately .

 

[coley]

Basically JC is a terrorist supporting cunt, & Maam isn't, for doing exactly the same thing.

Aye, but the 'reconciliation gestures' only happened after the IRA surrendered, got to give them some crumbs, I wouldn't, but peace is peace.

 

[coley]

It wasn't built until 1966 . We don't have full independence yet . Interpret that . Or imagine what you prefer. All the same to me.

But the memorial is what it is . A memorial to ALL who died in the cause of Irish freedom . In 1966 when it was built it was very much recognised by the southern state that full Irish freedom had not been achieved. no patriot is excluded from it. Very deliberately. There's no dates, no cut off points. Very deliberately .

It wasn't built until 1966
Nowt further to discuss

 

[Casually Red]

Aye quite, but "I'm going to remember you had a hand in knocking off me uncle, make sure yer toast before I'm king, or I'll come looking"

" do you have an inconvenient wife ? Does she need a lift anywhere ?.....and I'm pretty sure if I took you round the corner, dropped my keks and stuck the royal arse out you'd profusely slobber all over it if asked "

 

[free spirit]

Nice of the writer to actually make a little draft up of a tory election ad. It helpful for my imagination, who so often fail.

The context of that being something like a minutes silence to remember those killed by in an SAS ambush on an IRA team that killed 8 IRA men plus 1 civilian under the shoot to kill policy, so they were basically assassinated rather than being arrested.

Also the statement comes from a quote in the Express, so isn't necessarily exactly what he said.

 

[Casually Red]

It wasn't built until 1966
Nowt further to discuss

Why ? And can you explain how you've suddenly become such a fucking expert on IRA memorials in the past half hour ? Where does your incisive insight derive from ?

You've no idea what your talking about. In this instance I actually do .

 

[coley]

" do you have an inconvenient wife ? Does she need a lift anywhere ?.....and I'm pretty sure if I took you round the corner, dropped my keks and stuck the royal arse out you'd profusely slobber all over it if asked "

I was wondering why you aren't on here as much as usual, the above explains it, pity, you were always worth a read.

 

[YouSir]

Things I have learnt since joining the Labour Party:

1: 'Them' is far more popular than 'we'. 'They' need us, 'we' deserve power, 'they' don't understand 'we' do.

2: Those who have power, from councillors to local officials to MPs see no problems at all, all those who do are attacking them.

3: 'They' shouldn't be given a voice, because 'we' know what to do.

4: Polls are almighty, mostly because people view themselves as above those outside the party.

5: I can put up with an amazing amount of patronising when I need to.

6: The 'they' I see are really, really bad at dealing with people, which will be their arrogant downfall.

Still supporting Corbyn mind. The day he wins will be a happy one.

 

[coley]

Why ? And can you explain how you've suddenly become such a fucking expert on IRA memorials in the past half hour ? Where does your incisive insight derive from ?

You've no idea what your talking about. In this instance I actually do .

Built in 66, does that offer a tiny insight?

 

[YouSir]

Safe to say I'm at a low ebb in my party political experience.

 

[coley]

Things I have learnt since joining the Labour Party:

1: 'Them' is far more popular than 'we'. 'They' need us, 'we' deserve power, 'they' don't understand 'we' do.

2: Those who have power, from councillors to local officials to MPs see no problems at all, all those who do are attacking them.

3: 'They' shouldn't be given a voice, because 'we' know what to do.

4: Polls are almighty, mostly because people view themselves as above those outside the party.

5: I can put up with an amazing amount of patronising when I need to.

6: The 'they' I see are really, really bad at dealing with people, which will be their arrogant downfall.

Still supporting Corbyn mind. The day he wins will be a happy one.

Corbyn and Brexit, times are a changin

 

[coley]

Safe to say I'm at a low ebb in my party political experience.

Aye, I'm seriously looking at joining the Greens, if I'm going to be politically pointless I'd rather be environmentally positive

 

[free spirit]

Safe to say I'm at a low ebb in my party political experience.

have you made the mistake of attending party meetings?

I don't think it matters which party you're in, the meetings always seem to make you come away feeling like that. I haven't been to a Green Party meeting in 7 months and I feel so much better for it.

 

[YouSir]

have you made the mistake of attending party meetings?

I don't think it matters which party you're in, the meetings always seem to make you come away feeling like that. I haven't been to a Green Party meeting in 7 months and I feel so much better for it.

I've been to the meetings but in my experience people will seldom talk shite to your face, just online where they imagine they're anonymous. Not new to me either, been to Left stuff over the years, just never anything with this level of dripping disdain. Even if there's a sweary argument I'm used to thinking of people as comrades, these days I can see I'm the enemy to some.

 

[Casually Red]

Built in 66, does that offer a tiny insight?

No. Explain please .

 

[Casually Red]

I was wondering why you aren't on here as much as usual, the above explains it, pity, you were always worth a read.

What ??

 

[brogdale]

"Ditch Corbyn or Lose Election"


Breaking, Observer will have a major article by Sadiq Khan in which he will say "Corbyn is a disastrous leader" and backs Smith.

Explaining his backing for Smith, who is the former shadow work and pensions secretary, Khan says: “On the big issues Owen and I have been on the same side of the argument, including opposing the Iraq war. Owen led and – more importantly – won our fight against the Tories’ unfair cuts to tax credits and disability allowances, which would have hurt the most disadvantaged people in our society.”

lol

None of which 'explains' why Khan nominated Corbyn a year ago.

 

[free spirit]

I've been to the meetings but in my experience people will seldom talk shite to your face, just online where they imagine they're anonymous. Not new to me either, been to Left stuff over the years, just never anything with this level of dripping disdain. Even if there's a sweary argument I'm used to thinking of people as comrades, these days I can see I'm the enemy to some.

they don't like people upsetting their cosy clique that's used to running things and not having anyone question them too much.

 

[Casually Red]

I've been to the meetings but in my experience people will seldom talk shite to your face, just online where they imagine they're anonymous. Not new to me either, been to Left stuff over the years, just never anything with this level of dripping disdain. Even if there's a sweary argument I'm used to thinking of people as comrades, these days I can see I'm the enemy to some.

This is about neo liberalism. These people are neo liberals . You aren't, your a left wing person of some stripe . You are the enemy to these neo liberals because you are ideologically opposed to what they are about. And vice versa. that they inhabit..and have successfully colonised..a political sphere which once had a vague, tangential socialistic bent to it is immaterial to the fact they are neo liberals .

That's all that's happening .

Unfortunately Corbyn, for all his good qualities, does suffer from a lack of expertise in both co ordination and communication . That's being exploited to the hilt by the neo liberals . However I'm confident they'll lose eventually. People are sick of them , to the back teeth. And Corbyns failings can be easily addressed by a group of people who know how to do shit like that . Not a massive issue at this point I reckon .

 

[DrRingDing]

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lol

None of which 'explains' why Khan nominated Corbyn a year ago.

That is proper dirty bullshitting about Owen's anti war stance. Filthly little toerag.

 

[Casually Red]

That is proper dirty bullshitting about Owen's anti war stance. Filthly little toerag.

It puts his own anti war stance and principles under a fairly dark cloud as well . If he's that fucking cynical on the issue .