Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Wilf]

For some reason the non-brick, non-homophobia thing reminds me of the Monty Python sketch:

"There now follows a TV appeal on behalf of extremely wealthy people who have nothing wrong with them".

 

[timeforanother]

Just been to the coop (supermarket, not backstabbing or military take-over). The guy was doing the paper returns at the check out.

An unusually high number of Guardians were being sent back (and quite a lot of Expresses).

I'm in a Brightonish bit of Manchester. Bet it is the way they have dealt with Labour party events meaning they aren't trusted. Just speculation.

 

[Wilf]

From that article, Corbyn bod said:

Mahotra's staff may well have been squatting for a bit too long after they resigned and the officer manager may well have barged in. But its the fucking childish whining and running to the press that annoys me. 90%+ of this is going on on the Blairite side, but the blog about being told to fuck off in a pub was an example on the Corbyn wing (what pissed me off not so much that the blogger mentioned it - it really did sound aggressive and unpleasant - but going into pages of forensic detail). They all know it's a propaganda war, but you should have a sense of personal dignity that kicks in before you launch into the latest round of 'he looked at me funny'. Fucking embarrassing.

 

[Wilf]

The grauniad piece ends with:

A spokesman for Bercow said: “The Speaker will respond to Ms Malhotra once he has had an opportunity to consider fully the contents of her letter, but there’s nothing further to say at this stage.”

It is understood that Malhotra has also written to Labour’s general secretary, Iain McNicol, to demand a party investigation.

Fucking hell, how many 'investigations' have these fuckers asked for in the last fortnight? Even McNicol who is no innocent in all this must be getting a bit weary. Every day he comes home from a hard day's investigating, only to find he's got a few more to do. More graft at the investigating factory. Those who aren't investigating are investigating someone else.

 

[coley]

*comments are closed*

Snide.

Certainly is, yet no complaining when the arghh ( who is the role model for these people,who the article claims are being discriminated against) is rudely pushed aside by the PLP in favour of a young, (OK, youngish) white, straight male, wheyaye, no 'discrimination' there!

 

[coley]

I love this opening sentence.


What is that saying about monkeys, typewriters and Shakespeare?

Kindly refrain from smearing monkeys by association with the PLP

 

[Wilf]

Certainly is, yet no complaining when the arghh ( who is the role model for these people,who the article claims are being discriminated against) is rudely pushed aside by the PLP in favour of a young, (OK, youngish) white, straight male, wheyaye, no 'discrimination' there!

Can you imagine the fucking furore there'd have been if it had ended up Aargh Vs Corbyn and he'd come out with the 'I'm a normal family man' line!?!

Fwiw, I think Smith was just clumsy and it was unintentional, but that wouldn't have mattered if Corbyn had said it.

 

[coley]

I don't know the nitty gritty of how bonds work but it seems it's a simple enough policy that Theresa May's nicked the basics of it when she was talking about issuing £100bn in infrastructure bonds. And you're not really debating here anymore, you're just expressing incredulity at everything for the sake of it. If you want the details go start a thread in the theory forum.

Aye, and we know who the net beneficiaries of said "£100 billion infrastructure bonds" will be, the 50p in the £ to thon lunnern and surrounding areas and the 1p to the NE will end up looking like a generous bliddy settlement!!

 

[agricola]

The rail operator contracts are much shorter term than the typical PFI ones - 10 years against 25. Rail renationalisation could be completed by any two-term government willing to do so, and probably be de-facto done by a one-term one, depending how the contract end dates fall.

Sorry, misread your post. It would be easier to do that, especially as if you announced it in advance you would probably pick them up even easier than that.

 

[coley]

Tom Harris on Twitter earlier.


He followed that with this.




I asked the same question when I quoted his Tweet but I think he's avoiding me.

Can you put this in some kind of perspective for the twitter free aged?;
Ta

 

[coley]

Indeed there was (Lowry was at maximum capacity which is where the 1,700 figure comes from)- I've just got back from it. Very friendly atmosphere and lovely people- NHS workers, care workers, students, survivors of austerity, teachers, trade unionists, anti racism campaigners, etc- all people who, if you follow the media and plp, are nazi black-shirts who are beyond the pale and have no place in modern society, let alone politics.

The general mood was friendly, some pantomime light hearted booing of the plp and Owen Smith, which apparently constitutes nuremberg rally-esq abuse nowadays. Some good speeches especially by Richard Burgon (an MP who I hadn't heard of but will now be following).

"Most people bewildered by the PLPs strategy to win them over- reject our decision in the last leadership election, threaten to not accept this one if we don't vote the way they want us to, demonise us, call us a bunch of misogynistic, anti-semitic, racist bullies, patronise us and make zero effort to engage with us or understand where we are coming from, then expect us to vote for you. Bizarre"

Mm, as a leaver I feel your pain

 

[coley]

You could try using google

Or being surrounded by younger relatives, though google( at times) seems the more peaceful alternative

 

[coley]

Indeed

You utter bastard, a bliddy spoiler at least,

 

[killer b]

It still isn't appropriate to pass comment on a woman's appearance just cause she's Janet Street Porter y'know.

 

[Pickman's model]

It still isn't appropriate to pass comment on a woman's appearance just cause she's Janet Street Porter y'know.

I quite like her idiosyncratic dress sense. But not allowed to be positive about poor jsp I see.

 

[coley]

Can you imagine the fucking furore there'd have been if it had ended up Aargh Vs Corbyn and he'd come out with the 'I'm a normal family man' line!?!

Fwiw, I think Smith was just clumsy and it was unintentional, but that wouldn't have mattered if Corbyn had said it.

Doubt if there is any 'clumsiness' amongst the Owen/PLP attack dogs, other than a 'fall back' to excuse particularly nasty lines of attack, 'oops we were 'misrepresented, we didn't actually mean to infer that'
Whereas, the slightest slip by Corbyn and his team are headline news and represented as 'hard line Corbyn gospel'
Aye, it's fucking nasty, and will get even more so, but the upside is,more and more people are taking an interest and are waking up,to the idea that there is an alternative to the status quo of the last 30+ years.
Interestingly, Corbyn and Farage, on opposing spectrums of the political divide,have energised political debate amongst those of us who had largely given up on representative politics, aye it may settle back down to the usual background sludge, time and developments will tell.

 

[coley]

It still isn't appropriate to pass comment on a woman's appearance just cause she's Janet Street Porter y'know.

My post wasn't directed at her dress sense or sex, just her general existence.

 

[Pickman's model]

Kindly refrain from smearing monkeys by association with the PLP

Or Badgers in association with the PLP

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[treelover]

Momentum | Facebook

At his launch today, to thousands of attending people in Salford and 1.8 MILLION people through the live stream, Jeremy Corbyn reiterated again his adamant opposition to any personal abuse in politics.

1.8 milllion, surely that can't be right? across the world, maybe?

 

[ruffneck23]

Dunno I'm sure a lot more than 1.8 million have access to the internet here in the uk... If it is true ( not saying it is ) that's pretty amazing

 

[Authentic]

You utter bastard, a bliddy spoiler at least,

see below

 

[Authentic]

It still isn't appropriate to pass comment on a woman's appearance just cause she's Janet Street Porter y'know.

looks quite good there though doesnt she?

 

[Authentic]

Indeed

this i meant

 

[Cakes]

It's all as thin as air: seemingly no specific examples of bullying/abuse (except the one which has been debunked), apparently no reports to the police or official complaints etc. They just hope the public/labour members take it at face value (which some will.)

They're having to inflate some tenuous examples of poor management, angry meeting attendees and sweary tweets as bullying. Its hard to counter though because no-one wants to invalidate or dismiss victims or make people hesitate to complain about bullying. But it's a fucking stretch for a tweet tell my MP to "get in the sea" and later "fuck off" to be called abuse and a threat of drowning. Get a grip.

The bright side is that team anti-corbyn cant have any real dirt if the best they can scrabble round for is this.

I wouldn't mind hearing more about their opposition to his policy and proposals for party reform. This mewling about his barbarianism and management style is getting old.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I got into it and lost my rag with a member on Facebook who isn't voting Corbyn. I kinda lost my rag because his sly comments about how long he'd been a member, how he knew personally this or that person, and him describing corbyn supporters as a hard left rabble really wound me up. He also heavily implied that his views were more valid by sole virtue he's a member. There was no nastiness in my reply, I simply said this is the way the wind is blowing, social movements are where things happen, if people cry on the radio about being called a cunt on twitter or whatever they shouldn't be in politics. The worst it got was I told him he was talking a load of toss about one particular aspect. I of course was labelled the bully, the extremist and yada yada. That pissed me off further in fact. Him and another person couldn't figure out why I'd be annoyed taking that sort of shit from someone who supports a position that votes in favour of things like ESA. They just could not make the connection. To me it just demonstrates, along with 'it's my party' type attitude, why they're going to lose and why they deserve to lose.

It's ugly all this and pathetic. I don't see how the party can recover from it really.

 

[J Ed]

I got into it and lost my rag with a member on Facebook who isn't voting Corbyn. I kinda lost my rag because his sly comments about how long he'd been a member, how he knew personally this or that person, and him describing corbyn supporters as a hard left rabble really wound me up. He also heavily implied that his views were more valid by sole virtue he's a member. There was no nastiness in my reply, I simply said this is the way the wind is blowing, social movements are where things happen, if people cry on the radio about being called a cunt on twitter or whatever they shouldn't be in politics. The worst it got was I told him he was talking a load of toss about one particular aspect. I of course was labelled the bully, the extremist and yada yada. That pissed me off further in fact. Him and another person couldn't figure out why I'd be annoyed taking that sort of shit from someone who supports a position that votes in favour of things like ESA. They just could not make the connection. To me it just demonstrates, along with 'it's my party' type attitude, why they're going to lose and why they deserve to lose.

It's ugly all this and pathetic. I don't see how the party can recover from it really.

Labour moderates can't be the bad ones, can they? Not ever. The media has created a climate where they are justified in whatever they do and that attitude results in stuff like this.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Labour moderates can't be the bad ones, can they? Not ever. The media has created a climate where they are justified in whatever they do and that attitude results in stuff like this.

I was fucking enraged all day yesterday, it started by learning about the Tory bursary cuts and then went on from there. Upon reflection this morning I can now see that he was essentially baiting me. I just read this and related it to how he was speaking to me:

I actually said 'I'd appreciate if you stopped misrepresenting me' at one point because he kept accusing me of claiming all the people saying they were victims of abuse were lying. In reality I said being called a cunt on twitter is part and parcel of being in politics and that crying to the press about it is transparent because if everyone in politics did that every time they got shit on Twitter there'd never be room for any actual news.

So he misrepresented me, said I couldn't accept others had different views, drew me into bickering and made me look like the arsehole. Well played I guess you live and learn.

 

[Casually Red]

The shinners getting dragged into this now . I actually know a bit about these particular punters from my general neck of the woods . Labour MP Conor McGinn, originally from co Armagh but currently a blow in , parachuted in to an iron clad safe labour seat in merseyside , after a career bum kissing in London is the son of former Sinn Fein mayor of Newry Pat McGinn. Little Conor....a fanatical Blairite, defence obsessed , is alleging Corbyn threatened to phone his dad after Conor briefed against him publicly . Needless to say this careerist was part of the coup as was his boss Coaker . Wailing to the high heavens about a phone call that never happened , between 2 men who've never met or spoke.


Corbyn denies threatening to phone MP's father over row


As a point of interest his father once won the title of " biggest liar in the world " back in the early 2000s in some half arsed contest . Unsure if that's a genetic trait or something his son reckons is an essential political skill


Eta

Whoops. Hadn't noticed this was mentioned earlier

 

[J Ed]

The shinners getting dragged into this now . I actually know a bit about these particular punters from my general neck of the woods . Labour MP Conor McGinn, originally from co Armagh but currently a blow in , parachuted in to an iron clad safe labour seat in merseyside , after a career bum kissing in London is the son of former Sinn Fein mayor of Newry Pat McGinn. Little Conor....a fanatical Blairite, defence obsessed , is alleging Corbyn threatened to phone his dad after Conor briefed against him publicly . Needless to say this careerist was part of the coup as was his boss Coaker . Wailing to the high heavens about a phone call that never happened , between 2 men who've never met or spoke.


Corbyn denies threatening to phone MP's father over row


As a point of interest his father once won the title of " biggest liar in the world " back in the early 2000s in some half arsed contest .

Guido Fawkes has a screenshot from Whatsapp showing McGinn the younger whipping backbenchers to 'keep up the pressure on JC'. I tried to find it from a less scummy source and no major newspaper had reported it. The anti-Corbyn press discipline/group think in this country is amazing. David Axelrod was right when he said it is even worse here than the US.