Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[DotCommunist]

Perhaps I just have my pessimist hat on today but to be completely honest I think that you are right and that it will be another step along the road we are on towards the eventual replacement of Labour as the main pole of opposition with UKIP. Not entirely unlike the situation in France, Hungary and other European countries.

when dennis skinner was voted out of the NEC by cunts I had consigned labour left to the eternal darkness of squabbling at Left Unity meetings. But then arose a new champion and astonished us all by winning it. The fact that he ran against thin gravy candidates in no way lessens the impact its had. I don't even vote labour I just want these cheap suit cheap politics faux sincerity liars to get fucked. It's our party dammit cunts.

 

[Tankus]

how the fk did Emily Thornbury end up in the labour party ..?

.is she a tory sleeper agent ?...what ..what ... I don't understand ...

 

[Vintage Paw]

I agree, this is damaging and probably mostly true. She doesn't seem like any kind of determined anti-Corbyn plotter either.

I'll always defend Corbyn against plotters, splitters, Blairites etc, and all that shit I've just expressed pissoffedness about in post 6043 is totally out of order.

But at the same time it's hard not to have some criticisms that are just about his/his team's competence.

Yes I know almost all the media are out to get him but some mistakes seem unnecessary, naive even.

My understanding is she very much isn't a plotter, and it was precisely this that led her to resign once the other resignations started rolling in, and not any kind of pressure or strong-arming.

 

[Saul Goodman]

 

[J Ed]

Hateful Corbynite abuse etc

 

[emanymton]

I am starting to think that Corbyn actually stands a chance of losing the leadership election.

I was thinking that a few days ago, but couldn't be arsed posting it and getting into a argument about it.

 

[Wilf]

I was thinking that a few days ago, but couldn't be arsed posting it and getting into a argument about it.

Wondered that myself, though even with the gerrymandering I suspect he's still got the numbers. Might just be a few doubts in the minds of previous Corbyn fans, particularly as the party haven't made much progress, along with the chipping away about bullying. Though against that his voters and a few that didn't vote for him will be angry about the shenanigans. Who knows, maybe win it on a reduced majority?

The other thing is Corbyn himself. Not impossible he might have passed on the baton 18 months before the 2020 election anyway. However he must be incandescent about the treachery, so much so that he sees holding onto his job as the front line of not giving the party back to the Blairite [banned word warning] scum - which it is.

 

[emanymton]

Wondered that myself, though even with the gerrymandering I suspect he's still got the numbers. Might just be a few doubts in the minds of previous Corbyn fans, particularly as the party haven't made much progress, along with the chipping away about bullying. Though against that his voters and a few that didn't vote for him will be angry about the shenanigans. Who knows, maybe win it on a reduced majority?

The other thing is Corbyn himself. Not impossible he might have passed on the baton 18 months before the 2020 election anyway. However he must be incandescent about the treachery, so much so that he sees holding onto his job as the front line of not giving the party back to the Blairite [banned word warning] scum - which it is.

From memory he was just shy of 50% of the existing membership last time. Since the 3 quiders won't be a thing this time, I think it could be closer than many people think.

 

[Plumdaff]

I don't doubt that some of the criticisms are true, it just strikes me that poor timing and the leadership riding roughshod over ministerial plans are not exactly unusual in politics, and probably even more likely for a leadership effectively under siege. I don't doubt many of the facts, I doubt the conclusions she's trying to draw from them.

 

[Wilf]

By the by, the page is now up for those who want to become 25 quidders.

 

[killer b]

From memory he was just shy of 50% of the existing membership last time. Since the 3 quiders won't be a thing this time, I think it could be closer than many people think.

Loads of the 3 quidders then joined though (even if they didn't do much after).

 

[Wilf]

From memory he was just shy of 50% of the existing membership last time. Since the 3 quiders won't be a thing this time, I think it could be closer than many people think.

True, but got by far the biggest vote. Logically, he might not have got many 2nd preferences from the other cunts candidates, but he would have got over the winning line. But yes, I think you are right, could well be close. The ballots go out 22nd August and people vote over the following month. There'll be plenty of co-ordinated knocking copy all the way through.

 

[DotCommunist]

By the by, the page is now up for those who want to become 25 quidders.

*reaches out hand to labours head*

My mind to your mind. My thoughts to your thoughts. Wait what the fuck is this? I'd force feed you the pureed 25 quids first

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, the key will be how manuy £3 registered supporters who regged to vote fore Corbyn went on to join - and we've see the rise of membership in the intervening period. Would be amazing if vast majority were not corbyn supporters.

 

[quimcunx]

Someone just paid the 25 quid and reported on fb that they asked for her twitter and fb details.

 

[brogdale]

Someone just paid the 25 quid and reported on fb that they asked for her twitter and fb details.

Not asterisked.

 

[brogdale]

You'd have to be pretty dumb to give up that sort of info.

eta: twitter handle = Sonoftrot

 

[J Ed]

Not asterisked.

Yeah but they will blatantly go through your stuff in order to ensure you can't vote if you do put it I bet

 

[brogdale]

Yeah but they will blatantly go through your stuff in order to ensure you can't vote if you do put it I bet

Exactly...as I said, you'd have to be a complete fool to offer it.

 

[J Ed]

Exactly...as I said, you'd have to be a complete fool to offer it.

Yes, that is true, but I bet some still will do it

 

[brogdale]

Yes, that is true, but I bet some still will do it

Some people are foolish, yes.

 

[andysays]

Yeah but they will blatantly go through your stuff in order to ensure you can't vote if you do put it I bet

Do they actually have the resources to go trawling through thousands of facebook and twitter accounts looking for reasons to disallow people? And more to the point, even if they do, is this really the most effective use of their time?

Fucking ridiculous...

 

[treelover]

From Greg Philo:

"I have been reading criticisms of Jeremy Corbyn from people who say they are socialist and committed to change, but that JC is just not the right person to lead, because of confusion in his office, failure to unite, inability to give clear economic vision etc.
I think these all miss a rather fundamental point. Leave aside for the moment that the astonishing level of attacks from the media, plus his own MPS , and the sheer volume of tasks in running an opposition , in such circumstances would make it unlikely that the path would be smooth .

The main issue is elsewhere. We elected JC because there has not been any sort of coherent left political force in the UK for over 30 years. The results have been catastrophic for this country and beyond. I find it truly astonishing that people can write about how the Labour regimes after 1997 helped millions of people without mentioning the millions whose lives were taken or destroyed as the wars were fought and the world destabilised. A coherent left opposition in Parliament leading a mass movement outside would probably have stopped that. As it was, we had the wars and the rise of Blair helped the Tories and the forces of the right in the move towards inequality, insecurity , private wealth and public squalor. Labour policies such as PFI, the securitisation of the state, the embrace of markets and austerity, left the Party as a Tory lite alternative, which lost the last two elections. Crucially, the move to the right in the Party meant that there has been no debate in the mainstream of British public life about how to build a socialist alternative.

The election of JC was about redressing this and re- building the Party as a coherent force for change. This struggle is long, it will take time to reverse all those years - we are just now at the beginning, but support for Jeremy Corbyn is crucial because he has the moral authority to demand a different kind of politics and a vision of the future which a mass movement of the left will be able to form. Give it time and work to achieve it."

Greg Philo(Glasgow University Monitoring Group, did the seminal report on Miners Strike, more recently how disabled claimants are reported on)

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[NoXion]

Greg Philo(Glasgow University Monitoring Group, did the seminal report on Miners Strike, more recently how disabled claimants are reported on)

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Facebook is part of the the internet like every other website, you know.

 

[Mr.Dogg]

Greg Philo(Glasgow University Monitoring Group, did the seminal report on Miners Strike, more recently how disabled claimants are reported on)

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What annoys me is the sense of entitlement the bulk of the present PLP have- they and only they have a right to rule, how else do you explain the absolute tantrum they threw as soon as Corbyn got elected. If their leadership candidates had won last year and the party had performed exactly the same as Corbyn has, they'd never in a million years be pulling this mass resignation shit- their outrage is that someone not of their kind is in the driving seat. This sense of entitlement seems to blind them to any genuine, critical appraisal or perspective of themselves- the Iraq war is a simple mistake to them- despite the fact its resulted in HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of deaths, it just gets a barely acknowledged shrug of the shoulders. What other job could you do whereby you accidentally killed hundreds of thousands and you were allowed to even remain in that post?

They then, thanks to their embrace of the free market and scaling back of regulations on it, brought us the 2008 crash which wiped out all the extra spending the Blair years boast about, and has set us on the path for the complete destruction of the welfare state. Again hardly any acknowledgement- certainly no questioning of their own judgement or right to rule- indeed they still think that they and only they have the answers and can't seem to understand why everyone else can't seem to grasp that.

Like Chomsky said, with regards to the West's moral certainty in foreign policy, they seem to think everything they do is right and just, simply because they do it.

 

[binka]

Confirmed on C4 news that it will be Eagle or Owen depending on who gets the most nominations with the loser agreeing to drop out. I really do wonder who Corbyn will vote for

 

[red & green]

What is this saving labour ? Where did they get the money?

 

[keybored]

Facebook is part of the the internet like every other website, you know.

Or it might not have been a public post.

 

[emanymton]

Loads of the 3 quidders then joined though (even if they didn't do much after).

I know. It's just a feeling I have really.

 

[billy_bob]

What annoys me is the sense of entitlement the bulk of the present PLP have- they and only they have a right to rule, how else do you explain the absolute tantrum they threw as soon as Corbyn got elected. If their leadership candidates had won last year and the party had performed exactly the same as Corbyn has, they'd never in a million years be pulling this mass resignation shit- their outrage is that someone not of their kind is in the driving seat. This sense of entitlement seems to blind them to any genuine, critical appraisal or perspective of themselves

Right. The most powerful thing I saw McDonnell say, in a speech to a Momentum crowd I was gatecrashing the other day, was "it's not about us, it's not about Jeremy. it's about you [pointing at the audience]. YOU are the problem."

He's right: the PLP is in a state of fury and indignation at the discovery that its wishes can be disregarded by ordinary members like this. It makes no difference to them that those wishes are largely unrepresentative of the millions of people who have elected them over the years - very often through gritted teeth and for want of anything better on offer, as is pretty clear as soon as there's something even slightly better on offer.

How FUCKING dare ordinary people act like they have the right to steer the direction of the Labour Party, when they haven't even studied PPE? When they haven't been following a 15-year plan, steadily groping their way up the slippery slope of having to deal with shite like constituency business in godawful places like South Shields or Barnsley, with the aim of one day achieving significant office and forging valuable relationships with company directors? When all they've done is sit around, having families and doing semi-skilled work for crap wages? Who do they think they are?