Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[MochaSoul]

Fucking party politics. Pull a stalin while weeping about bullying

It took me some time to stop laughing at that one

 

[Vintage Paw]

As an affiliate you are entitled to go to CLP meetings, quimcunx - at least Unite affiliate members are, so presumably other unions/pro bodies would too?

 

[newbie]

London is the island of red in a sea of blue in the GE and an island of blue labour in a sea of red labour. My CLP that I can't find any details for is anti-Corbyn.

it's quite stark how far London is drifting offshore.

As for Streatham CLP, you're far braver than me.

 

[quimcunx]

it's quite stark how far London is drifting offshore.

As for Streatham CLP, you're far braver than me.

I haven't been! Never tried. Never had any intention of going! Only joined the labour party by accident. Just felt I should at least have a nosy after recent events, but they seem to be very coy about how to find them.

 

[Kaka Tim]

What universe do the blairites inhabit if they think that blatantly gerrymandering the leadership election to the point of farce and trying to freeze all activity in CLPs is going to deliver membership votes for Eagle and/or Owen?

 

[YouSir]

I haven't been! Never tried. Never had any intention of going! Only joined the labour party by accident. Just felt I should at least have a nosy after recent events, but they seem to be very coy about how to find them.

Might want to check your local Momentum lot, Facebook page or something. Heard a few tales of ward secretaries being 'slow' to contact new members at the moment.

 

[coley]

ffs

If it all ends up in divorce,who gets what? If for instance, a large chunk of the PLP decides to set up a separate party or buggers off and joins the Lib dems, or greens (or if they are really honest, the Tories) who gets control of the bank account, the membership and the actual bricks and mortar?

 

[YouSir]

What universe do the blairites inhabit if they think that blatantly gerrymandering the leadership election to the point of farce and trying to freeze all activity in CLPs is going to deliver membership votes for Eagle and/or Owen?

One where winning at the cost of all credibility, most members and national humiliation is still winning. Limit the electorate to just Angela Eagle and her pet dog and victory is guaranteed.

 

[YouSir]

If it all ends up in divorce,who gets what? If for instance, a large chunk of the PLP decides to set up a separate party or buggers off and joins the Lib dems, or greens (or if they are really honest, the Tories) who gets control of the bank account, the membership and the actual bricks and mortar?

The lawyers who argue it in court will get all the money. The membership will split in Corbyn's favour regardless.

 

[coley]

The lawyers who argue it in court will get all the money. The membership will split in Corbyn's favour regardless.

That's a given, but who would retain what Labour Party infrastructure/finances that would be left remaining after the vultures of the legal profession had taken their share?

 

[YouSir]

That's a given, but who would retain what Labour Party infrastructure/finances that would be left remaining after the vultures of the legal profession had taken their share?

Who knows? Sure someone here can make an educated guess but it'd still come down to a legal battle.

 

[MochaSoul]

Who knows? Sure someone here can make an educated guess but it'd still come down to a legal battle.

Having been Labour's backers over the years the unions would have a big say on that

 

[SpookyFrank]

What universe do the blairites inhabit if they think that blatantly gerrymandering the leadership election to the point of farce and trying to freeze all activity in CLPs is going to deliver membership votes for Eagle and/or Owen?

That so many of them are going along with this madness is hard to credit. OK, maybe they all genuinely think Corbyn needs to go, but is there nobody who at least realises that the way they're going about it is doomed to failure?

They were never going to be able to stop CLPs meeting, they have no conceivable right or authority to do so. God only knows what their next scheme will be once this one fails.

 

[free spirit]

it's a nuts response to 150k new members joining a party to then decide to ban all local parties from meeting for several months.

Shows that they care more for their personal positions than they do for winning elections or being seen to be an effective opposition to the new Tory government.

 

[squirrelp]

The lawyers who argue it in court will get all the money. The membership will split in Corbyn's favour regardless.

There is a big advantage to keeping the name and current membership and infrastructure in the event of a split.

 

[free spirit]

Warren Morgan doesn't support Corbyn so (apparently) whinged to the NEC.

his blog post on this says that he was the NUC president at Hull uni prior to Tom Watson, so presumably that'll have been who he was able to winge to who had the power to suspect the CLP on his say so.

 

[MochaSoul]

I wonder how much of this is prélude to mass expulsions of Corbynistas. Not a very left-progressive move if so.

 

[free spirit]

I wonder how much of this is prélude to mass expulsions of Corbynistas. Not a very left-progressive move if so.

I expect they're setting up this bullying scenario so that they can expel anyone who's been abusive about labour MPs etc on social media.

 

[YouSir]

I wonder how much of this is prélude to mass expulsions of Corbynistas. Not a very left-progressive move if so.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, on my day off from politics as well as work but...



Apparently from the NEC Procedures Committee, judge the provenance for yourself. Warnings going about too, keep an eye on your personal posts, new Facebook requests, Twitter followers etc. Paranoia inducing, but had some odd requests myself so who knows. Add it on to the routine requests for 'civil' discourse from the right and you've got a potent atmosphere to keep people quiet. 'Civil' in this case meaning don't say anything that suggests any disdain or disagreement with the orthodox narrative of course.

e2a: Applies to registered supporters, but not full members, apparently. Presumably because so many on the wrong side have form for abuse.

 

[oryx]

Not that much in the media about Corbyn having received death threats himself.

 

[MochaSoul]

Not that much in the media about Corbyn having received death threats himself.

Oh I've read Marina "Edward" Hyde from The Guardian question them. I'll try and find the article

 

[MochaSoul]

Not that much in the media about Corbyn having received death threats himself.

Here you go:Eyes down, apocalypse bingo players: Labour’s Jedi council has spoken | Marina Hyde

Before the NEC’s decision was known, Jeremy issued one of his signature relativist statements, condemning the attack on Eagle’s office “as someone who has also received death threats this week and previously”. Which raises several crucial questions. Namely: are the attacks on Corbyn false flags, or is it just the ones on Eagle? Is a false-false flag just a flag? And could whoever is Labour leader this autumn conclude conference with a rousing rendition of new party anthem The False Flag?

 

[Raheem]

Not that much in the media about Corbyn having received death threats himself.

They're probably not considered that big a deal. Just routine AOB at PLP meetings.

 

[MochaSoul]

I expect they're setting up this bullying scenario so that they can expel anyone who's been abusive about labour MPs etc on social media.

While I'm painfully aware of reflecting my mum's warnings to me about how my race would collour everything I did in my life in many people's eyes, it's hard for me not to think "You guys know the whole movement is under the microscopes of people who don't like you, don't want you and feel threatened by you. If you really want the new gentler kind of politics then start by practicing it yourselves!"

I know, I know.... my own head is a fucking whirl on this one.

 

[Kaka Tim]

How can anyone other than the self obsessed wing nuts of the PLP think any of this is remotely democratic, effective, helpful or even remotely sane? Their behavior makes a three year old rolling on the ground screaming because their toast has been into squares not triangles look a model of reasonableness.
And yet the bulk of the media has either nothing to say or just carrys on with project sneer and smear.

 

[MochaSoul]

How can anyone other than the self obsessed wing nuts of the PLP think any of this is remotely democratic, effective, helpful or even remotely sane? Their behavior makes a three year old rolling on the ground screaming because their toast has been into squares not triangles look a model of reasonableness.
And yet the bulk of the media has either nothing to say or just carry's on with project sneer and smear.

They haven't realised yet they're in the Hamptons.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Here's the text of the letter to Brighton CLP, with 'references to fabricated smears' according to branch secretary's twitter feed.

Full text: The letter suspending Brighton, Hove and District Labour Party (sent to former EC…

 

[mauvais]

Wow. You voted wrong, so you're banned from voting until it doesn't matter any more.

 

[killer b]

My Mrs reckons that the CLP suspensions prevents the local parties having any input into what's discussed at conference, as the period of the leadership challenge just happens to be the run up to the conference too. Not sure how much input the CLPS have to conference though, anyone?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Why won't Corbyn resign after the Nice attacks?