Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You really think it's all just an ignorant faux pas? Not intentional?
I do.
What would they have to gain by intentionally linking themselves to war crimes?
You really think it's all just an ignorant faux pas? Not intentional?
What would they have to gain by intentionally linking themselves to war crimes?
By the way Toru Hashimoto is one of the World Economic Forums 'young global leaders' (class of 2009 from what I've discovered).
http://www.weforum.org/young-global-leaders/toru-hashimoto
Won't that be also due to the association of tattooing with organised crime?Bizarrely (I wanted to know more of his *ahem* "forthright views") he also thinks that local government is completely within its rights to sack anyone with a tattoo, even a hidden one. No really! Because they're representatives of the state and thus have no right to a private life or control of their own body.
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I do.
What would they have to gain by intentionally linking themselves to war crimes?
That's why I think they wouldn't mention it. Must some three dimensional chess level sort of politics that make s a reference to something you otherwise do your best to ignore or deny.There are no war crimes according to the Japanese government. Why else would they still pay homage to a shrine that holds war criminals (some from the 731 unit).
That's why I think they wouldn't mention it. Must some three dimensional chess level sort of politics that make s a reference to something you otherwise do your best to ignore or deny.
I mean what advantage do you believe the Japanese government would be seeking by doing it on purpose? Having denied it so long, it wouldn't be immediately obvious to folks at home I would have thought, so no kudos there, and deniable gratuitous offence to regional neighbours/rivals - well, perhaps but again doesn't seem likely.Not sure what you mean by that, I doubt it was an accident, 731 can't just be an accidental number.
The government's of China, Korea and other Asian neigbours don't have the same ideas as you do, they must be mistaken?
Not sure what you mean by that, I doubt it was an accident, 731 can't just be an accidental number.
So you reckon the jet itself has been intentionally numbered to piss people off?
I mean what advantage do you believe the Japanese government would be seeking by doing it on purpose? Having denied it so long, it wouldn't be immediately obvious to folks at home I would have thought, so no kudos there, and deniable gratuitous offence to regional neighbours/rivals - well, perhaps but again doesn't seem likely.
Yes. The logic behind visiting the Yasukuni Shrine is that it plays well domestically to a certain demographic even if it pisses off the neighbours - tough with regional adversaries, honouring our boys whatever the consequences etc. There's no logic in reminding people of your war crimes, ones you have made sure only those with an interest at home even know about at all.So, you just think it's an amazingly idiotic faux pas?
Dandred said:Maybe the Japanese military see the number 731 as special? Or just a random number, as at the same time Japan is trying to increase their influence over their neighbours?
666 and 88?Guess what their numbers are?
There's a touching polar opposite type that gets a lot of play here, which is old soldiers who come to the scenes of their crimes in China to apologise and make amends as best they can. of course, these are usually the ordinary grunts who weren't particularly culpable in the first place, but they get a great reception.Japanese ultranationlists are world class batshit types.
probably, but iirc this guy has/had himself been accused of dodgy links to the yakuza - who like mafiosi everywhere skew more to the ultra-right / fierce conservatism side of things than cuddly liberalism. anyway....Won't that be also due to the association of tattooing with organised crime?
I think Dandred is Jazzz's brother.
Don't know if this has already been posted before...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/14/japanese-mayor-comfort-women
Fucking outrageous I say. He should be locked up with sexual offenders so that he can "comfort" them!
I mean what advantage do you believe the Japanese government would be seeking by doing it on purpose? Having denied it so long, it wouldn't be immediately obvious to folks at home I would have thought, so no kudos there, and deniable gratuitous offence to regional neighbours/rivals - well, perhaps but again doesn't seem likely.
Don't think it's kind - incompetence at that level isn't a compliment, and still reckon they're in the business of war-crimes denial rather than even oblique references. Can't put my hand on heart and say for sure either way, but that's how it reads to me.I think you're being too kind. From what little I've observed of Japanese politics, pols there seem to operate very much on multiple layers of meaning. The make the FCO look like 1st-year amateurs.
That story is nothing compered to this one...... http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/05/120_135776.html
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in the cockpit of a T-4 training jet at an airbase in Miyagi gives a thumbs up, Tuesday. The number on the fuselage of the aircraft — 731— has triggered protests from Korea, China and imperial Japan’s other victims, who have taken offense because it coincides with that of Unit 731, which conducted biological and chemical warfare experiments using people from countries Japan occupied. / AFP-Yonhap
The Japanese Prime Minister decides to sit in a fighter plane with the "731" on the side, the number of the Japanese army's biological and chemical warfare until in the second world war!
Imagine Merkel wearing an SS uniform and giving out striped pajamas and you have an idea what this means to Japan's neighours.