Treacle Toes
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Being socially and politically aware is a bad thing. Okay.
Jamaican removal flight
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Ah, yes of course, Vaz = good, JRM = bad (vermin!) grr.
Thank you for boiling it down for me.
Treacle Toes
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You don't have any answers to my questions so no surprise you'd attempt this distortion.
Your logic reflected back to you... Anything JRM and the gov says is true, you don't need to check, you have 100% trust in them. Vaz is wrong because....
I live in South Korea, been here for around 15 years, married and have kids.
If I broke the law here in such a way that I was put in prison I would be deported.
I don't see a problem with this. I just try to be a law abiding citizen, I don't go robbing houses or attacking people with knives.
Not something I'm worried about as I'm not going to break into people's homes or use knives to rob people.
If I broke the law here in such a way that I was put in prison I would be deported.
I don't see a problem with this. I just try to be a law abiding citizen, I don't go robbing houses or attacking people with knives.
Not something I'm worried about as I'm not going to break into people's homes or use knives to rob people.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Can also use this argument for hanging and stuff
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Also could be seen as a justification for the tories desire to exit the Council of Europe and the inconvenient ECHR.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You would be as well if you lived in most EU countries and had committed serious offences. I thnk the main issue (there may have been some cases where the criminal criteria could be challenged) on the Jamaican flight which some posters argue sets it apart is whether they should have been entitled to or given British citizenship or not.
Treacle Toes
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‘We cannot let off the hook those complicit with mass deportations’
On Tuesday morning (February 11) the second mass deportation by charter flight to Jamaica departed...
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Ax^
Silly Rabbit
in a country were they are
when can we start deporting white british people
who have already serve a sentence for a crime
when can we start deporting white british people
who have already serve a sentence for a crime
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I’d be a bit suspicious of that without further evidence tbh .
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Anyone that takes a facebook post as fact, needs to take a long hard look at themselves in a mirror.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
My evidence?
Or checking for yourself, just to be sure?
(I don't have a dog in this fight, apart from being against this sickening racist policy)
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Well any evidence outside off a quote from Facebook tbh . Dunno if you’ve ever worked with offenders but sometimes their version doesn’t tally with the truth .
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I didn't get it from fb, I don't really do fb except to check for birthdays etc.
It was his mother on a radio phone-in, I think. One year for some fucking (I dunno) 'joint enterprise' thing for a nicked mobile phone then he got tagged in a fb thread and replied during the trial...saying"I didn't do it" afaik. 5 years for that.
Everyone knows what's going on.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Well i for one dont know whats going on without knowing the charges. I'm aware joint enterprise has now gone but nicking a mobile phone and joint enterprise sounds more like a robbery conviction tbh. rather than just a theft. Hard to know without the case details . Theres a clear criteria and threshhold for deportation and serious offences which I think was actually passed under Labour. As I've said before its the nationality issue that is the main debating issue here doubt if we would have the same furor if it was someone from an easterm EU state
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Possible train fare dodger, been here since 10 years old. No criminal record, 10 GCSEs, having to turn down decent work. The absolute worst kind of person obviously.
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there has always been a hostile environment - dealing with the HO is like something out of Kafka - the Tories are gunning for judicial review which is v serious indeed
Manter
Lunch Mob
They bare three key pieces of legislation that have got us to this point, the first was passed in 2007 by a labour government; the subsequent 2 were passed by Tory governments. Useful summary here
In summary: We didn’t get to this in one step, and there is xenophobic crap spouted across all parts of the spectrum.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Outstanding summary, thanks for posting it.
Yet again, we see noisy "get tough" punishment used to mask systemic failings. In this case, Parliament's introduced exile for potentially trivial crimes (one case linked on Twitter was a bar brawl).
Authoritarian thuggery like this explains why I'll never share the worrying nostalgia I'm seeing from some for the Blair era. First time was bad enough, ta. At least we'll likely be spared similar for May's disastrous tenure, but these days, who knows.
Manter
Lunch Mob
A brief scan of twitter shows me eugenics and compulsory contraception is today’s subject of discussion. So who the fuck knows
likesfish
You can't park here sir
This would be fine if used with a bit of intelligence and compassion
length of stay in the UK if you grew up here you are our problem end of.
If you came here as an adult depends a decade of law-abiding behavior you can get away with one mistake.
Sorry guns rape etc no mercy.
Its the "zero-tolerance" approach that ends up being unfair.
Unfortunately, nobody loses votes by being tough on the crime you could probably win votes for branding speeders and red-light jumpers (especially cyclists) until Daily mail readers are being publicly branded in large numbers that you might get some resistance. A senior manager in the prison service tries to keep quiet about his job as most people are disappointed that HMPSS doesn't have torture chambers and sex offenders are not offered up to the general population to kill..
God knows what Boris's government new ideas are but they certainly won't involve non-prison sentences.
We know what works it's not even that difficult it is expensive though.
Sober prisoners up get them employable get them out of their cells do something anything remotely constructive.
Then have them housed and not penniless when they leave Jail. They might not come back.
length of stay in the UK if you grew up here you are our problem end of.
If you came here as an adult depends a decade of law-abiding behavior you can get away with one mistake.
Sorry guns rape etc no mercy.
Its the "zero-tolerance" approach that ends up being unfair.
Unfortunately, nobody loses votes by being tough on the crime you could probably win votes for branding speeders and red-light jumpers (especially cyclists) until Daily mail readers are being publicly branded in large numbers that you might get some resistance. A senior manager in the prison service tries to keep quiet about his job as most people are disappointed that HMPSS doesn't have torture chambers and sex offenders are not offered up to the general population to kill.
.God knows what Boris's government new ideas are but they certainly won't involve non-prison sentences.
We know what works it's not even that difficult it is expensive though.
Sober prisoners up get them employable get them out of their cells do something anything remotely constructive.
Then have them housed and not penniless when they leave Jail. They might not come back.
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GarveyLives
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Up until 11 February 2020, 34 year-old Rayan Crawford had not set foot in Jamaica since he was 12 years old. In December 2019, some 18 months after the 'Windrush Scandal' had made international headlines, and by which time he had been convicted 10 times for a total of 22 offences, "he voted for Boris Johnson and thought he was going to be a good prime minister" ...
... on 11 February 2020, Mr Johnson - "who he thought he was going to be a good prime minister" - arranged for Rayan Crawford to be deported back to Jamaica !!!
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The39thStep
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Obviously not one of the people that Gramsci knows
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music obfuscation technology
This sounds like a pretty weird charging decision:
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