Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Comrade Corbyn slams the racist psychopaths of the Boris regime:
Jamaican removal flight
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In this thread Lee Jasper says between January 2016 and May 2018, 6,237 people were removed from planes while on the runway following successful legal challenges.
Which, doing the maths suggests an average 7 people every single day were being removed from a taxiing plane. Which seems crazy if true.
Which, doing the maths suggests an average 7 people every single day were being removed from a taxiing plane. Which seems crazy if true.
Manter
Lunch Mob
If you look at the FOI 39thstep found in post 38 that looks entirely likely.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not to mention dangerous
andysays
Love and solidarity
And following on from this, I wonder to what extent Corbyn's attack on Johnson at PMQs will backfire, enabling the Tories to (continue to) portray Labour as being more interested in the rights and well being of criminals than in protecting the public from harm.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It does seem like "get them on the plane regardless" is the tactic that the home office have decided is most effective - and probably with justification, as once you're out of the country (even if they don't "lose your documents") it is going to be a lot harder to fight a legal case let alone get back in, and there don't seem to be any consequences for having kicked them out.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Well no, who is going to get the home office in trouble? At its worst this stuff amounts to plain and simple kidnapping.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I don't think Corbyn gives a fuck at this point. Can't say I blame him. It's a pity we didn't see more 'gloves off' stuff from him back when it could have made a difference.
Deferring to the tories' narrative that these are all dangerous criminals is hardly a better option is it?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Hard to say. The racist, gammon vermin on social media are certainly overwhelmingly enraged by Corbyn's remarks, but they're unlikely to support Labour anyway. Maybe Corbyn just thought 'fuck it, I'm on my way out anyway, might as well have some fun with it'. Fair play to him I guess, a bit of levity is needed right now in this backward, racist and deeply ignorant toilet of a country.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I thought Corbyn's attack was unusually, for him, highly effective. Introducing class and colour by using Johnson's own foray into criminality in the way he did was smart. The problem is, as you suggest, nobody really gives a fuck what he says anymore and it probably won't cut through.
You are right too that Labour needs to get its head around the new rules of the game fast and find out how to play it. Nothing I've seen from any of the potential leaders convinces me that they are doing that however.
I am uncomfortable about these deportations, I would agree that people who have come in recent years and committed the most serious of offence, such as murder & rape, should be considered for deportation, but not in a case like this one, 25-year-old Rohan McLennon:
Court grants last-minute reprieve to dozens of Jamaican nationals
Home Office presses ahead with charter flight but detainees in Heathrow removal centres granted reprieve after court rulingwww.independent.co.uk
Corbyn brought this up today at PMQs - Boris dodged it by saying he couldn’t comment on individual cases or something like that.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Samim Bigzhad was the Afghan kid whose illegal deportation got the then Home Secretary found in contempt of court. Twice. But what actually happened? She ended up resigning but for completely different reasons loads later... Noone went to prison, no one was censured for the tens of thousands spent, or the emotional distress. I guess if your only weapon is shame and they have no shame.... what are you left with?
Treacle Toes
Time
Labour aren't in government now and haven't been for a decade. Governments change/amend laws/policies all the time if they want to. The cuntservatives are the ones who are deporting people now regardless of where you think the ability to do it originated.
Treacle Toes
Time
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
So? Not only has that faction comprehensively lost control of the party, but they were criticized on here at the time (I did so myself). If a Labour government were doing this now, there's no reason to believe they'd be getting a pass.
So violent foreign criminals are being deported by the conservatives using powers passed by a prior Labour government, the latter of which just got wiped out at the GE and are now complaining of these deportations they originally passed the act to enable?
o-k.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Trolling predicated on the basis that U75 posters will leap to defend Blair is doomed to fail.
Rather than relying on yer racist mates' FB shite, why not try educating yourself before you come on here with such dross.
What is the law on the deportation of non EU foreign criminals and their human rights? | Free Movement
not-bono-ever
meh
The big difference is that although the laws have been in place for some time & prisoners have been routinely repatriated when they finish their sentences ( eg the legions of drug mules), this is being used to garner political points by seeking out and harvesting people who fall outside of the previously accepted conventions for deportation. Its a cunts trick
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Yeah, but some are "foreign" in only the most achingly technical sense, aren't they? If Britain's the only country you can remember, you're a "foreigner" in name only.
This showy, get-tough government posturing's not only repulsive in itself, it's being used to disguise endemic failures in the CJS. I loathed it when Blair did it, and I loathe it just as much now Al Johnson's wallowing in it.
Treacle Toes
Time
Please share the evidence that everyone who has been or is set to be deported...add in those who were pulled off of thiis latest flight is a violent criminal.... I'll wait.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You're not even any good at this.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Possibly a thick question but how do other states approach situation eg it would seem fair to exclude those who arrived under age of 18, or I dunno spent five years as a minor in UK or something, from possible deportation following conviction/sentence, but I am completely ignorant about other countries legal approach
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The ECHR article 8 is an important influence on deportation from any signatory state.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Yeah. People being dumped in a country they've never visited as an adult, have no memory of, with no friends/family/social ties (and no money or possessions) seems quite contrary to that doesn't it
There was an earlier reference in this thread to "giff-gaff" which I'd never heard of, nor did I know that was linked to O2,
At least, not prior to festivaldeb having had one of her asylum-seeking friends** very suddenly removed to Harmondsworth by the UK Border Agency (UKBA here is based in Bridgend).
**This man is a very poor Iranian Christian, 26 I think (I've also met him for a pint and chat a couple of times
.
**Deb volunteers twice weekly for two refugee/asylum seeker support groups here in Swansea -- and she visited her friend in Harmondsworth -- nightmare experience for her, but especially for him obvs!
)
That removal was a few weeks ago. Shortly after deb's visit to him, he was going to be deported from Heathrow to Amsterdam (NL being his first country of arrival originally). His English is quite poor, and, with giff-gaff, he had an utter nightmare trying to stay in contact with his lawyer and with his friends in Swansea -- including deb**
Luckily, the Home Office had cocked up with some legal technicality (
) at the court hearing (immigration tribunal? Not sure 
) and he was released -- he's back in Swansea now, and very relieved.
I appreciate this isn't altogether relevant to this thread because he had never been to prison, but I thought I'd throw this into the thread anyway, for interest ... hope that's OK
At least, not prior to festivaldeb having had one of her asylum-seeking friends** very suddenly removed to Harmondsworth by the UK Border Agency (UKBA here is based in Bridgend).
**This man is a very poor Iranian Christian, 26 I think (I've also met him for a pint and chat a couple of times
.**Deb volunteers twice weekly for two refugee/asylum seeker support groups here in Swansea -- and she visited her friend in Harmondsworth -- nightmare experience for her, but especially for him obvs!
)That removal was a few weeks ago. Shortly after deb's visit to him, he was going to be deported from Heathrow to Amsterdam (NL being his first country of arrival originally). His English is quite poor, and, with giff-gaff, he had an utter nightmare trying to stay in contact with his lawyer and with his friends in Swansea -- including deb**
Luckily, the Home Office had cocked up with some legal technicality (
) at the court hearing (immigration tribunal? Not sure ) and he was released -- he's back in Swansea now, and very relieved.I appreciate this isn't altogether relevant to this thread because he had never been to prison, but I thought I'd throw this into the thread anyway, for interest
... hope that's OK
That is how JRM has categorised these deportees after taking questions from Valerie Vaz.
Make of it what you will, but Vaz came off appearing trying too hard to be dare I say - woke
Treacle Toes
Time
That is how JRM has categorised these deportees after taking questions from Valerie Vaz.
Make of it what you will, but Vaz came off appearing trying too hard to be dare I say - woke
.
You mean you believe JRM without evidence and dismiss Vaz who most certainly knows more about it than you. Okay.
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