Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're both shallow and rude
J30 strike: NUT, PCS, UCU, ATL call for a general strike on June 30th
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That is what the graph appears to show - but for a start the trend in lower deficits (leading eventually to a surplus) was clearly begun after Clarke took office in 1993, plus of course there is the point that Brown didnt actually do anything serious to change the Tory spending plans until 2000. The credit for that surplus should really belong to Clarke.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Every SME in Australia has to pay the superannuation of its employees so it can be done. Having said that we effectively have 0% unemployment (among whites and asians which is basically all the government cares about) and my local bakery's employment costs mean a Christmas Pudding costs $52.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
True.
The tories usually hand over a reasonably healthy economy to Labour, who then manage to mess it up. It happens over and over again.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh because of course labour caused the oil problems in the 1970s and of course labour caused the banking shit a few years back.
if you're not thick you do a fucking grand job of appearing it.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
How did new labour mess up the economy?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Was the banking collapse the fault of Labour?
Athos
Well-Known Member
A shame. You pushed it too far, there. Even the most rabid Tory would realise this is nonsense, which I think gives your game away. You are a troll. And, in fairness to you, until this post, you were a reasonably effective one; you said enough to produce ire, but not so much to give yourself away - you got some good posters to engage for a reasonable amount of time. Well done.
Goodbye.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
They do hold at least a portion of the blame for it, yes.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
From this graph
you can see that Labour had more surplus, for longer that the Tories ever did. You can also see that it only got out of control after banking collapse.
A better graph is one that shows debt as a percentage to GDP. http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/d...=G0-total&bar=0&stack=1&size=l&color=c&title=
As you can see, the last labour govt had a better record on keeping the deficit down than Magie. The banking collapse is an obvious exception, but not really Browns' fault.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
In what way?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
tosh. They would have had a completely different taxation regime, which would have led to significantly less income, leading to (probably) smaller surpluses and greater deficits later
Combustible
Well-Known Member
Most ridiculous strike story?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...anch-sat-park-bench-teachers-went-strike.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...anch-sat-park-bench-teachers-went-strike.html
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
wel, in doing fuck all to stop the banking madness. not that the tory scum or liberal failures would have done anything either.
what is m ore laughable about claims the tories had better plans, is that in 2007 Osborne was promising to follow Labour spending plans in the first years after the election! So they can't have objected to the levels of spending that much.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
wouldn't be surprised to find EoY claiming that was her daughter
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That whole light-touch regulation, chum up with the bankers as long as they give us money, thing for a start. The FSA has also not exactly been a success.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Agreed. That was a continuation of Tory policy. It wasn't the cause of the collapse though, but it certainly contributed to the effects.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
The comments of DM readers show that even they are aghast at the depths of that story. Bizzare to say the least.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That is a bit of a leap - there would be very little reason for them to change course after winning that election, especially when the main reason for winning that election would have been their handling of the economy. What possible incentive would they have had to do so?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
uhh, they lost because of their handling of the economy. You recall black wednesday (or was hat one a tuesday?) dont you?
They wouldn't have brought in the windfall tax, and would have been under constant pressure to cut other taxes. All of which would have meant less income.
They wouldn't have brought in the windfall tax, and would have been under constant pressure to cut other taxes. All of which would have meant less income.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Brown's semi-Keynesian "ideology" in which he follows the theory by spending madly in a recession to stimulate the economy, but in times of strong growth he ignores the counter-cyclical aspect of the theory and ... erm ... spends madly. Perhaps he was deliberately avoiding ideology by reverting to idiocy.
SpineyNorman
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Shame it wasn't EoY.
A few points after reading this thread - the tax payer funds ALL pensions for EVERYONE. Tesco pensions are paid for by the money customers spend there, same as everywhere in the private sector. We pay for a service/good and some of that money (nowhere near enough) is used to fund the wages and benefits of the workers who provide them - same in the public and private sector.
I have a private sector pension from a job I left a few years ago. It's a final salary scheme, we got 1/60th of our final salary for every year of service. And it was non-contributory - employees made NO contributions whatsoever.
About EoY's ignorant nonsense about public sector wages being higher on average. Why do you think that is? Could it be that the public sector has contracted out all the work performed by low paid workers (cleaning, driving, even a lot of admin work)? This skews the average by lowering the private sector average and increasing the public sector average. When you compare like with like a private sector worker will almost without exception get paid more.
I note that EoY claimed this was a "selfish" strike performed by people who didn't care about the children nor the parents who would be "forced" to take a day off. Then "she" (I suspect it's actually a sad bloke with no friends sitting in his mum's basement) says that the person who normally looks after her child when she's not at school is on strike!
So the ungrateful sod is calling someone who looks after her child out of the kindness of her heart a selfish parasite who doesn't care about children or their parents.
If you're not a troll you're a disgusting excuse for a human being EoY. If you are a troll I suggest you go and get a life.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
He should have called you in, with your expertise
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
What evidence do you have that Brown was following Keynes?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what's a 'semi-keynesian'?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Except that he reduced the debt when he was Chancellor. Did you take a look at the link I provided?
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/d...=G0-total&bar=0&stack=1&size=l&color=c&title=
EDIT: Blagsta got there first. Quick with their fingers are Brummies.
