grit
an ugly force for good
How so?
J30 strike: NUT, PCS, UCU, ATL call for a general strike on June 30th
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How so?
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Lower? Well, denying the essential role that the public sector plays in maintaining the economy where you get paid would be pretty near the bottom of the barrel.
Louis MacNeice
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Why do you think private sector workers should be treated worse? Let's work together for leveling up rather than beating down.
Louis MacNeice
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Nobody is denying the importance of the public sector.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Wrong again. Public sector employees earn about the same as private sector. I'm suggesting they should get similar pensions too.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So are we.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Simply untrue - once all factors are taken into account (eg the significantly higher proportion of graduates in the public sector). And they already DO get similar pensions 4k for civil servants, v 3.9k in the private sector.
All of which has already been stated several times, you have just chosen to ignore it.
Looby
Well-Known Member
That's not true. Between me and my husband we could earn about 25k more if we moved to the private sector. We have so far chosen to stick but as my office could close I might not have the choice soon.
Please at least do us the courtesy of looking at the facts and maybe actually READ what posters are saying because you've barely responded to anyones points this afternoon.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
2 out of 3 private sector employees get no pension contribution from their employer.
They should strike.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
and because of this teachers should get screwed over? your logic is absurd. This is like saying half the world live on less than a dollar a day therefore we should scrap minimum wage.
Don't be giving them ideas dylans!
Looby
Well-Known Member
That's dreadful, but how exactly is making things worse for us going to help that 2 out of 3? Surely they should get their workplace unionized, negotiate etc etc. You are arguing for a worsening of conditions for all.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Personally speaking, whatever pension I end up with is gonna be pretty blah, to say the least, but you know what? If teachers, nurses, social workers, social security/welfare etc people get a halfway decent pension at the end of their service - GOOD. They earned it and they more than deserve it. And so what if "we" are paying for it? Much rather that than be forced to fork out yet again to bail out the "free market" (remember them not wanting any Government intervention/interference?) or watch our wonderful elected officials give themselves a gold-plated pension, whilst telling the rest of us to eat shit and be happy with it.
Solidarity with them all - and also to those arrested too.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
exactly. why are you not answering these comments?
Athos
Well-Known Member
Let's have a race to the bottom then, eh.
2 out of 3 people in the South Wales valleys have no jobs.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Most people work for small businesses. If you go on strike, you are likely to put your employer out of business. No taxpayer to come to the rescue, you see.
How is that good for anyone?
'She' probably wishes that every day.
madzone
Physically unfavourable
That seems to be the concept that Elizabeth struggles with the most.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Why not try to contribute to the discussion instead of making snide personal comments?
Athos
Well-Known Member
So you think the owners of these businesses would choose to go bust rather than make concessions to their employees?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
No, I think that many small businesses can't afford to pay pension contributions to their employees.
Looby
Well-Known Member
Why don't you answer some fucking questions?
How is screwing the public sector over going to improve things for the private sector? If you can't answer then I suggest you stfu because you don't really know what you're arguing for.
Could you provide a source for your contention that most people work for small businesses,you may be right but I'd like to see the evidence.It may well be that most people work for SME's but that's not only small businesses.
Why not be a proper 'mother' to your 'child'?
Looby
Well-Known Member
I think if they want to make money from the labour of others then they must take responsibility for those employees.
Same with sick pay, maternity pay, redundancy pay etc etc
If they can't or won't then they should run their own fucking business.
I don't suppose they're fretting about your pension pot when they're driving their BMW or lounging at their villa.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
What a ridiculous stereotype. Most small businesses are struggling.
