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A thread about the deteriorating situation between Israel and hezbollah after the killings and injuries associated with the exploding pagers, and their aftermath, to let the gaza thread talk about gaza
Israel and hezbollah after the exploding pagers
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AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Holy shit! Nearly 3,000 people injured!
Hezbollah member's daughter among victims killedpublished at 19:45 British Summer Time
Among the nine people killed is a girl, as we reported earlier.
The girl is the daughter of a Hezbollah member and died in east Lebanon's Bekaa Valley when his pager exploded, AFP news agency reports.
Nearly 3,000 are injured, according to Lebanon’s health minister Firass Abiad.
Hezbollah member's daughter among victims killedpublished at 19:45 British Summer Time
19:45 BST
Among the nine people killed is a girl, as we reported earlier.
The girl is the daughter of a Hezbollah member and died in east Lebanon's Bekaa Valley when his pager exploded, AFP news agency reports.
Nearly 3,000 are injured, according to Lebanon’s health minister Firass Abiad.
Lebanon pager attack latest: Exploding walkie-talkies kill 14 and injure at least 450
At least three people are reported to have died in the latest blasts, a day after thousands of pagers exploded across Lebanon.
www.bbc.co.uk
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
What deteriorating situation? The two sides are already sworn enemies as I understand it. Mossad has delivered a blow against Hezbollah. Who now are going to be reluctant to use any I.t.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You surely don't think their enmity is being replaced by amity
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Do we know anything about these exploding pagers yet? For example, how Israel was able to supply Hezbollah with them in the first place (if that's how it came about)?
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Of course not nothing much has changed Israel has crippled Hezbollah's communication ability and also its ability to eaves drop on said communications only time will tell if it was worth it or not.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Second wave in walkie talkies today:
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
They were manufactured under license by a company called BAC, allegedly in Hungary. BAC may or may not exist, and Orban is saying that BAC don't have any presence in Hungary - but, you know, it's Orban...
So, in whatever way, Hezbollah bought a load of pagers (and perhaps from a source they thought was different, but wasn't... a load of walkie-talkies) from the Israelis, which had either been built, or retrofitted, with plastic explosive and a detonator connected to the receiver.
And when AMAN or Mossad pressed the button, they went bang.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
They'll have to resort to carrier pigeons.
Interestingly the Syrian MOD has, allegedly, set out a blanket email/notice to all it's units and Int organs to stop using handheld devices until further notice.
That could be a surfit of caution - and if I was at war with Israel, I'd probably be quite cautious... or it could be related to the integration/alliance of Hezbollah and the Syrian armed forces and it's Int organs. If the Iranian ambassador had a Hezbollah pager, who else had one?
Riklet
procrastinación
It's a classic case of winning the battle but losing the war.
On the one hand, an incredible Mossad success story and an epic counter-intelligence failure for Hizbullah...especially now there's been a second day of explosions this time linked to walkie talkies and solar panels. It will for sure disrupt them as an organisation in the short term. As well as their supply lines and their sources of equipment and so forth.. the Israelis seem to have compromised this equipment before it reached Lebabon, with the pagers possibly being made in Hungary.
But what is the actual strategic aim of this move and what will it achive in regards to "winning" against Hizbullah and Iran? It makes it all the more likely the conflict in the North will deepend and more Israelis will have to evacuate. It prolongs Israel fighting a multi-fronted war with no end in sight, while they isolate every single ally they have. The Americans must be pissed at this for sure, with the bombings being ordered one day after they send people in for crisis talks to avoid further conflict spill over.
To me it just shows that Israel is totally fucked. They can do all this kind of shit as much as they want but they are just digging deeper and deeper in a hole.
On the one hand, an incredible Mossad success story and an epic counter-intelligence failure for Hizbullah...especially now there's been a second day of explosions this time linked to walkie talkies and solar panels. It will for sure disrupt them as an organisation in the short term. As well as their supply lines and their sources of equipment and so forth.. the Israelis seem to have compromised this equipment before it reached Lebabon, with the pagers possibly being made in Hungary.
But what is the actual strategic aim of this move and what will it achive in regards to "winning" against Hizbullah and Iran? It makes it all the more likely the conflict in the North will deepend and more Israelis will have to evacuate. It prolongs Israel fighting a multi-fronted war with no end in sight, while they isolate every single ally they have. The Americans must be pissed at this for sure, with the bombings being ordered one day after they send people in for crisis talks to avoid further conflict spill over.
To me it just shows that Israel is totally fucked. They can do all this kind of shit as much as they want but they are just digging deeper and deeper in a hole.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Poor choice of words.
It doesn't make such sense. The consensus seems to be Hezbollah have twigged to it so Mossad had to either 'use it or lose it'. And they went for the former.
They've blinded and castrated hundreds if not thousands of Hezbollah operatives and taken out their comms but the end game isn't quite clear. Seems a bit bonkers.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
They've taken out their Comms. Makes it much more difficult to organise operations if you have to rely on written orders.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Israel didn't export them, they intercepted them and modified them before letting them on their way.
gosub
~#
You think Hezbollah shops at Tel Aviv Carphone warehouse?
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Pretty sure you are misrepresenting the point.
It raises something I'll get back to when I'm at a proper keyboard
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
They'll have to resort to carrier pigeons.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You could be at the best keyboard in the world, you'd still post crap
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
He was awarded the Croix de Guerre, and has been stuffed and displayed in the Smithsonian.
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
Bet he was chuffed.
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
I'm a bit in shock about this. A country has blown up thousands of people in another country and the reactions seem to range from "amazing" to "blimey, that's really clever". Am I going mad? They're deliberately provoking war with all of their neighbours and people are like "ooooh, can you not do that please? Oh, here's another 200 shipping crates full of missiles".
The whole thing is fucking insane.
The whole thing is fucking insane.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Would "escalating" work better for you?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
It was indiscriminate. It's only "impressive" if you believe the murder of non-combatants is a worthwhile aim. Frankly, it looks like terrorism to me.
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