Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Is there much evidence that trans women pose such a threat though?
Is this woman a transphobe?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Are women provided single sex spaces in custody or in prisons? An awful lot of men work in women's prisons and police stations.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Regardless of whether this is a good endeavour or not, how is it going to be achieved through posting on here?
So you think because there are male staff that there should not be single sex accommodation. See men like you are only too quick to take away our protections, because it makes no odds to you.
You’re suggesting we shouldn’t discuss it because feelings are being hurt. But women have long conceded things to keep the peace.
Border Reiver
Active Member
There is no provision of your idea of women only spaces. Save for staff of shelters, all women only spaces allow people with a GRC (or working towards a GRC) whatever their anatomy.
Border Reiver
Active Member
In prison and hospital there is no guarantee of female only staff.
mauvais
on reddit or something
In your case I'm suggesting that since we as Urban75 are not yet to my knowledge in the business of hospital or prison commissioning, specific concerns and risks in these respects - which we do not own or influence - should not be a driver of how we as a community behave around and towards people in general. Whether you try to or not, this and similar threads are never confined to a discussion of what you describe, and instead they end up far more heavily oriented towards equal rights or right to exist. That's what you end up engaging in.
Feelings being hurt is something of an understatement given that the historic outcome of these 'discussions' on here has been to permanently exclude groups of people.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
I think permanent exclusion is something that happens with use of the banhammer. Some people decided this place wasn’t somewhere they wanted to be (and the site is worse off for it).
I’m probably just trying not to get too hopeless..
Maybe you’re right and it should just be verboten.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
^^^ This plus a it's being used as a showcase for a 'very dubious new poster'. Bin it.
Or perhaps we should discuss it on the thread we agreed to, in the part of the forum that has a bit more sensitivity, and those that this doesn't affect should take a step back from the endless beard stroking philosophising. Because this discussion has only ever proved fruitful when that happened.
To be honest smokedout I’m happy to stfu and let you and others discuss it further.
No not at all, I appreciate you trying, it's the same few cis male posters that dominate every discussion on this and who seem to have little interest in the trans experience or the consequences of this debate which has been a large part of what makes urban feel so hostile to trans people at times.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
We're both "promoting" stuff, you can shake your head at how evil I am, I don't see any way this issue just disappears because you want it to. I haven't posted on trans issues in ages, I started this thread because someone I know a bit got banned off twitter and I read what she'd written and I just cannot see the "transphobia" in it and I'm left wondering what it is I'm missing, am I the only person who can't see it? And also find myself thinking, is this the kind of person we want to drive out of politics? Because that's what you're arguing for.
I haven't slated anyone on this thread, I have just stated a straight up disagreement of ideology. You disagree. There are obviously plenty of people on here who don't disagree.
Permanently booting anyone whose views you don't like? I think you need to grow up because out of your little lefty bubble you are going to really struggle to get your ideology across and you are handing the political right the easiest culture-war tap-in they've had for a long time.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
There's plenty of people from both sides who've been driven out, it seems so built-in to the gender ideology side to keep crying victim that it never seems to occur to you that others get beaten up too, TRAs (probably their super-keen allies) have got a bit legendary for their pile-ons.
mauvais
on reddit or something
This is not true.
The Green Party has some serious questions to answer
www.urban75.net
Census 2021
I don't make any money from this website at all, you clueless, stupid, ignorant, unpleasant waft of trolling buffoonery. Does anyone want this idiot to stay here? Nah, but would like to know which returning clown it is before the ceremonial binning.
www.urban75.net
Loads of your posts on both.
I went back to December which is page five of your history and there are only three other threads you've posted on.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
So much dishonesty on this thread. And with such arrogance in the confidence that people won’t see through it
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
This is not true.
The Green Party has some serious questions to answer
Census 2021
I don't make any money from this website at all, you clueless, stupid, ignorant, unpleasant waft of trolling buffoonery. Does anyone want this idiot to stay here? Nah, but would like to know which returning clown it is before the ceremonial binning.
Loads of your posts on both.
I went back to December which is page five of your history and there are only three other threads you've posted on.
Fair enough, I meant starting threads, I believe this is the only one I've started, I was posting last night just before bed so there you go, fill yer boots with my "dishonesty" if that makes you feel better.
Where a thread is running I'm allowed to post on it. In the census thread the ONS had just got thrashed in court and no one was posting about that despite the fact that the court case had already been discussed -is it forbidden to even mention real-world events unless they happen to support a certain point of view? Why's it illegitimate to even mention this?
Same with the Challenor case, Reddit was closed down by this, isn't that newsworthy?
How is this going to work? Just shut it down wherever you can and let it be discussed everywhere else, is that the strategy?
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I'm fairly sure the dodginess of the stuff in the OP has been covered several times now, but how about this: she clearly dislikes trans women so much that she can't bring herself to say "trans women" and insists on using the loaded term "trans-identifying male" instead. Fair enough, I'm not the boss of her and I can't dictate what language she uses, but if you insist on talking like that you probably shouldn't expect trans people to throw a parade in your honour or anything,
Arrested Development narrator voice: Reddit was not, in fact, closed down.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Ho ho.
Multiple sub-forums with millions of users were made private by their mods in a spontaneous rebellion against AC's appointment. The only reason that Reddit capitulated and sacked her was because of this.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
1. I had assumed that a lot of the people posting here were trans. Turns out that most of them were cis men with very strong opinions. It's the same ones who turn up on feminist threads and tell us how to do feminism; the trans folk should be allowed to speak, that's how we should learn about this stuff. It's important.
2. You won't get the gc feminists among us joining in this debate anyway. The thread is too hostile. So their opinions seem to have been imagined (mostly by cis men again). So really I don't know what the point of the thread is except once again it seems to want to drive a wedge between people. It just looks like a massive shit stirring exercise from here.
2. You won't get the gc feminists among us joining in this debate anyway. The thread is too hostile. So their opinions seem to have been imagined (mostly by cis men again). So really I don't know what the point of the thread is except once again it seems to want to drive a wedge between people. It just looks like a massive shit stirring exercise from here.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I agree that this thread, indeed the whole general conversation/debate, is getting nowhere. It might be better if we all stopped talking about it for a while. But in the meantime, with regards to shit stirring, people keep calling others bigots, transphobes, hypocrites and misogynists on this thread, the main trans/terf thread, urban in general and everywhere else. Unless that stops the topic will keep rearing its ugly head, like it or not.
On a personal level you seem like a decent person, and even politically I'm pretty much on the same page as you on most things. You yourself have put your finger on it here, though. It's ideology and in the modern parlance, you've fallen down a rabbit hole. You starting this thread was preceded by you talking about the tra hold over twitter and if you're saying that sort of thing you're in it pretty deep. At the minute, at least, I think you're too involved in these social media wars and nobody is going to argue you out of it. That's something you're going to have to work out on your own. But if I was in the same rabbit hole, I would be doing the same shit stirring. I don't see an end to this.
For some posters (trans or not) Urban75 is a sanctuary from a world where they're experiencing problems including isolation. These threads have the effect of making trans posters feel isolated on here. There's been an informal agreement to keep it all in one place, but you've broken that agreement.
