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Is Reading Marx Necessary?

This song is good for pointing out differences between anarchist and communists :) And no... i`m not 3rd position... I just don`t agree with the notion of government.




Anarchism is not an iteration of communism. Communism is the sub-verter of the anarchist revolution as history states clearly (Russia/ Spain)







So fuck off.


all power to the desiring, deciding, acting, center.
 
I would say read The Communist Manifesto which is just a small pamphlet, think about it and then decide. Beyond that I would recommend reading anarchists like Kropotkin and Malatesta.
 
Danny- That post`s context within this thread is a warning sign to people becoming radicalised into communist institutions, because historically they have been very deceptive to the working class. There are links within the quotes to the sources.

Why I Am Not a Communist

Che Guevara did not dismantle the state and was a Marxist.

— Che Guevara said:
The merit of Marx is that he suddenly produces a qualitative change in the history of social thought. He interprets history, understands its dynamic, predicts the future, but in addition to predicting it (which would satisfy his scientific obligation), he expresses a revolutionary concept: the world must not only be interpreted, it must be transformed. Man ceases to be the slave and tool of his environment and converts himself into the architect of his own destiny.

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It seems a little fishy to me that at the pivotal point of many Marxists revolutions, the party conveniently adopts a Leninist ideology.

So all the commies afterwards will say "Oh but that`s not Marxist it`s Leninist" but the party gathered working class support on the promise of a Marxist revolution.

A little fucky wouldn`t you say?

So what I am saying is fuck communism or at least the risk of being pulled into it`s establishment, when did the anarchists ever betray the working class?

Never
 
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No I am not. Holding Marxism up as an essential method of analyzing industrial feudalism is ludicrous. You`d be better of reading Diggers pamphlets TBH.
 
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.... demonstrating other ways of analyzing the system that IMO, are faster and better than Marx and his shady communist affiliations.... ?
 
Danny- That post`s context within this thread is a warning sign to people becoming radicalised into communist institutions, because historically they have been very deceptive to the working class. There are links within the quotes to the sources.

Why I Am Not a Communist

Fucking lol, I know Apio, he'd be fucking horrified at the confused and useless shit you've posted on here!

Posting a Crass Youtube video as an analysis. :facepalm:
 
Posting a Crass Youtube video as an analysis. :facepalm:

Snob.

And if your m8 is one of the authors of the `why i`m not a commie` piece then I agree with his politics on this point which is why I posted it dummy.

Trying to pull status with me wont work. Haven't you noticed that yet? You could be shooting fascists in Greece for all I care.
 
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well that may be true of Penny Rimbaud(the drummer) but Marx came from a very privileged family..... even more so than Rimbaud.
 
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To understand why capitalism is shit and to be able to articulate why?

I think it's shit. I've thought it was shit since before I even knew what it was. I've always felt at odds with how society works, it's just...that's how society works and you don't believe it can be any different.

So is Marx the only way to understand why this system's a bit of a shitshow?
Please forgive me if it's already been said, but the Marxist analysis of of capitalism isn't about why it is a "shitshow".
As I understand Marxism, it is an analysis of the development of human political economy.
Thus, capitalism is preferable to feudalism.
Feudalism is preferable to slave societies.
Societies in which slaves exist are not preferable to "primitive communism" (early human societies), but are an unfortunate stage in how human political economy has developed in this world.
So, if I may be less pompous, the answer is no!
However, the Marxist analysis remains valid and more than likely whatever you read will have been influenced by this highly influential thinker.
 
I've been stocking up on chomsky like it was Brexit!

Thanks to some bookshops inexplicably selling really good stuff (William Gibson's Sprawl trilogy for example and the Altered Carbon books) for dirt cheap. Someone out there is going out of business i guess!

No Marx though (apart from a pocket sized 'introduction to Marxism').

I shall endeavour to find Capital nd proceed to spend a year reading it.
 
I've been stocking up on chomsky like it was Brexit!

Thanks to some bookshops inexplicably selling really good stuff (William Gibson's Sprawl trilogy for example and the Altered Carbon books) for dirt cheap. Someone out there is going out of business i guess!

No Marx though (apart from a pocket sized 'introduction to Marxism').

I shall endeavour to find Capital nd proceed to spend a year reading it.
I found a hardback copy of "Human" by Robert Winston in a bin the other day.
Wombles of Wimbledon, and all that.
Perfectly good, gave it a clean though.
 
I've been stocking up on chomsky like it was Brexit!

Thanks to some bookshops inexplicably selling really good stuff (William Gibson's Sprawl trilogy for example and the Altered Carbon books) for dirt cheap. Someone out there is going out of business i guess!

No Marx though (apart from a pocket sized 'introduction to Marxism').

I shall endeavour to find Capital nd proceed to spend a year reading it.
Very hard work Das Kapital, didn't get very far myself, but all the best. :thumbs:
 
oh this from
LynnDoyleCooper m8 ,

Why I Am Not a Communist

The good news: Communism is already here. Capitalism is simply market communism: “From each [worker] according to her ability, to each [capitalist] according to her need.” Thus, capitalism imposes service to the common good (i.e., to the ruling elite who represent “all”) on all those willing to remain slaves to a higher power. The community of capitalism surrounds us as a system of imposed relationships, and like all permanent communities, it feeds on the life blood of individuals, so long as those individuals succumb. And this brings me to the bad news for you commies: I am your enemy… for the same reason I am an enemy of capitalism. And don’t be fooled if I appear impotent to you. In my world I am the most important and impishly potent entity, and I am an implacable enemy of capitalism and communism.

well yes, it is a bit far fetched linking the common good with the ruling elite but I can see where they are coming from, as in both are an assault on individual freedom.

Individualist anarchism refers to several traditions of thought within the anarchist movement that emphasize the individual and their will over external determinants such as groups, society, traditions and ideological systems.[1][2] Individualist anarchism is not a single philosophy, but it refers to a group of individualistic philosophies that sometimes are in conflict. Benjamin Tucker, a famous 19th century individualist anarchist, held that "if the individual has the right to govern himself, all external government is tyranny".[3]

Max Stirner's idea of the union of Egoists (German: Verein von Egoisten), was first expounded in The Ego and Its Own. The Union is understood as a non-systematic association, which Stirner proposed in contradistinction to the state.[5] The Union is understood as a relation between egoists which is continually renewed by all parties' support through an act of will.[6] The Union requires that all parties participate out of a conscious egoism. If one party silently finds themselves to be suffering, but puts up and keeps the appearance, the union has degenerated into something else.[6] This union is not seen as an authority above a person's own will. This idea has received interpretations for politics, economics, romance and sex.

Stirner claimed that property comes about through might: "Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property". "What I have in my power, that is my own. So long as I assert myself as holder, I am the proprietor of the thing". "I do not step shyly back from your property, but look upon it always as my property, in which I respect nothing. Pray do the like with what you call my property!".[7] His concept of "egoistic property" not only rejects moral restraint on how one obtains and uses things, but includes other people as well.[8]

Though Stirner's philosophy is individualist, it has influenced some libertarian communists and anarcho-communists. "For Ourselves Council for Generalized Self-Management" discusses Stirner and speaks of a "communist egoism", which is said to be a "synthesis of individualism and collectivism" and says that "greed in its fullest sense is the only possible basis of communist society".[9] Forms of libertarian communism such as insurrectionary anarchism are influenced by Stirner.[10][11] Anarcho-communist Emma Goldman was influenced by both Stirner and Peter Kropotkin and blended their philosophies together in her own.[12]
 
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