Is it wrong to eat animals that are clever?

[chilango]

 

[ska invita]

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Meat eating is an old human habit

do we have a short intestine or a long one?
we are now skilled agrarians and no longer need to hunt for survival

 

[Spymaster]

taste is a mental construct, it is not objective.
you have made assosciations from birth that make you think it tastes good
as i said, a forced diet of meat of your loved friends, family, pets and other animals you might care for would utterly change your perception of whats "tastes good"

similarly the smell of cooking flesh might trigger pleasurable feelings or it might disgust you, as it would probably do if i killed your dog and threw it on a fire

But we don't eat our friends, family, or pets.

We eat our enemies, and other people's pets.

 

[Orang Utan]

taste is a mental construct, it is not objective.
you have made assosciations from birth that make you think it tastes good
as i said, a forced diet of meat of your loved friends, family, pets and other animals you might care for would utterly change your perception of whats "tastes good"

similarly the smell of cooking flesh might trigger pleasurable feelings or it might disgust you, as it would probably do if i killed your dog and threw it on a fire

I'm not sure that argument holds water either.
People who have tasted human flesh manage to overcome their disgust and guiltily admit that it tasted delicious.

 

[EastEnder]

"wrong" is a concept that only has any meaning to an intelligent mind. It is not an absolute. It is also subjective. So if you've got an intelligent mind, decide for yourself.

I personally wouldn't eat octopus, unless the alternative was starving to death. Whether others do is for their own conscience.

 

[ska invita]

I'm not sure that argument holds water either.
People who have tasted human flesh manage to overcome their disgust and guiltily admit that it tasted delicious.

humans can overcome our disgust at many things - we can kill the innocent for the state and think were doing good

in fact its that adaptability thats part of our downfall on such issues

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

similarly the smell of cooking flesh might trigger pleasurable feelings or it might disgust you, as it would probably do if i killed your dog and threw it on a fire

But I haven't got a dog

 

[ska invita]

But I haven't got a dog

count yourself lucky, cos im determined to prove this point

 

[IC3D]

Some sort of insect based diet is probably best for the environment but it's a gamble whether when we have first contact the aliens will be closer related to them or calamari. Just a gamble really.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

count yourself lucky, cos im determined to prove this point

Your point is rubbish though.

 

[IC3D]

And of course there's always a risk they will be some kind of sentient tofu

 

[krink]

And of course there's always a risk they will be some kind of sentient tofu

all tofu is wrong and that's coming from me, a veggie for 30 years.

 

[ska invita]

Your point is rubbish though.

I know you are, but what am I?

 

[Pickman's model]

do we have a short intestine or a long one?
we are now skilled agrarians and no longer need to hunt for survival

non sequitur

 

[Pickman's model]

I know you are, but what am I?

wrong. it's rare but it happens.

next.

 

[Pickman's model]

count yourself lucky, cos im determined to prove this point

tbh it would have been nice to see a bit more proof and a bit less 'here's a piece of information'.

 

[Sprocket.]

Utter nonsense.

Chicken tastes great, as does beef, pork, lamb, prawns, and just about every other animal.

My mate Julian would totally agree with this point as him and his dad have tried eating mostly everything, to me at least, not quite common meats, whatever they have got from poaching, fishing and shooting.
They both agree that Fox tastes diabolical however it is prepared!

 

[ska invita]

@ pickmans
We are descended from herbivore primates with long intestines

Interestingly our primate ancestors did eat a tiny bit of meat but it played a social function based on violence and the power that would give the killer in the group rather than any dietary pressures

Early humans were faced with survival difficulties and meat became a small part of the diet. Killing also became integral to social hierarchies.

We are now evolving beyond this stage...hunting is no longer necessary for survival and the next step is to move beyond killing and violence in our social interactions

 

[Pickman's model]

We are now evolving beyond this stage...hunting is no longer necessary for survival and the next step is to move beyond killing and violence in our social interactions

i don't know how your social interactions go but very few of mine include killing or violence these days.

 

[Spymaster]

My mate Julian would totally agree with this point as him and his dad have tried eating mostly everything, to me at least, not quite common meats, whatever they have got from poaching, fishing and shooting.
They both agree that Fox tastes diabolical however it is prepared!

I've shot a few foxes but nobody has ever got me to eat one. It's generally accepted that they're fucking horrible although there are various methods that people try to convince you will make them palatable, usually salting and soaking.

Most foxes that are shot in the field are skinned and fed to the dogs.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've shot a few foxes but nobody has ever got me to eat one. It's generally accepted that they're fucking horrible although there are various methods that people try to convince you will make them palatable, usually salting and soaking.

Most foxes that are shot in the field are skinned and fed to the dogs.

how much killing and violence do you find in your everyday social interactions?

 

[Spymaster]

how much killing and violence do you find in your everyday social interactions?

Very little. Why, do you want to meet up???

 

[Pickman's model]

Very little. Why, do you want to meet up???

i'm exploring ska invita's claim above.

 

[Sprocket.]

how much killing and violence do you find in your everyday social interactions?

Very little. Why, do you want to meet up???

Careful PM remember Dennis Nilsen !!

 

[Pickman's model]

Careful PM remember Dennis Nilsen !!

yeh i wouldn't go round spy's for a curry

 

[Sprocket.]

yeh i wouldn't go round spy's for a curry

I probably would, only if dressed as a fox though.

 

[bi0boy]

humans can overcome our disgust at many things - we can kill the innocent for the state and think were doing good

in fact its that adaptability thats part of our downfall on such issues

You may as well claim humans are disgusted by sex - there's no need for it in this modern age where artificial insemination is possible.

 

[Casually Red]

Clever animals wouldn't let themselves get eaten

If they were that clever they'd be eating us .

For the record I'm opposed to eating lions, tigers, polar bears, great white sharks and crocodiles .

 

[ice-is-forming]

Rat on a stick anyone?

 

[Sprocket.]

Rat on a stick anyone?

Duck eyes on cocktail sticks are common street food in China, I observed but did not partake.