Is it too late?

[Elpenor]

Do you have a link to the map?

 

[bcuster]

Do you have a link to the map?

i think the link is contained therein. The maps are interactive/...

 

[JimW]

Climate change: Potential to end humanity is 'dangerously underexplored' say experts

Global heating could become "catastrophic" for humanity if temperature rises are worse than many predict or cause cascades of events we have yet to consider, or indeed both. The world needs to start preparing for the possibility of a "climate endgame."

phys.org

We've not been doom-laden enough

 

[8ball]

Climate change: Potential to end humanity is 'dangerously underexplored' say experts

Global heating could become "catastrophic" for humanity if temperature rises are worse than many predict or cause cascades of events we have yet to consider, or indeed both. The world needs to start preparing for the possibility of a "climate endgame."

phys.org

We've not been doom-laden enough

We need stronger words than “apocalyptic” and “catastrophic”. I’ve developed a bit of a tolerance and they’re just not really doing it for me any more.

 

[Pickman's model]

We need stronger words than “apocalyptic” and “catastrophic”. I’ve developed a bit of a tolerance and they’re just not really doing it for me any more.

universal bereavement, an inspiring achievement

 

[8ball]

we will all go together when we go and it won't be pleasant

I need something with a bit more kick than “not pleasant”.

 

[Pickman's model]

I need something with a bit more kick than “not pleasant”.

a kick up the arse, that's what you need. to be bishop brennan'd from here to athlone

 

[8ball]

a kick up the arse, that's what you need. to be bishop brennan'd from here to athlone

I suppose “cataclysmal” is ok.

 

[stavros]

"Annihilation"?

 

[Aladdin]

We're fucked.

 

[bluescreen]

You don't know what you've got till it's gone.

Big Yellow Taxi here for you, guvnor.

 

[Gromit]

We need stronger words than “apocalyptic” and “catastrophic”. I’ve developed a bit of a tolerance and they’re just not really doing it for me any more.

Deadiemcdeadified

 

[NoXion]

We're fucked.

Please stop doing the fossil fuel companies' propaganda work for them:

Climate Deniers Shift Tactics to 'Inactivism'

Fossil fuel interests are trying to blame climate change on individuals while also sowing division, says Michael Mann, one of their prime targets

www.scientificamerican.com

The book details the way these fossil fuel interests are working to dampen the public’s enthusiasm for taking action on climate. How are they doing that?

I use whole bunch of “D” words to describe this: deflection, delay, division, despair mongering, doomism. To start with, there is an effort to deflect attention away from systemic solutions. They are trying to convince people that climate change is not the result of their corporate policies but of our own individual actions. I mean BP [a multinational oil and gas company headquartered in London] was instrumental in the whole idea of a carbon footprint. They introduced the carbon footprint calculator to help get people to think of this as an individual-responsibility issue.

People saying shit like "we're fucked" feeds into the despair mongering and doom campaign that the fossil fuels industry has taken to promulgating, now that the evidence of climate change is undeniable to all except the most delusional.

 

[Aladdin]

Please stop doing the fossil fuel companies' propaganda work for them:

Climate Deniers Shift Tactics to 'Inactivism'

Fossil fuel interests are trying to blame climate change on individuals while also sowing division, says Michael Mann, one of their prime targets

www.scientificamerican.com

People saying shit like "we're fucked" feeds into the despair mongering and doom campaign that the fossil fuels industry has taken to promulgating, now that the evidence of climate change is undeniable to all except the most delusional.

I've posted once on this thread

And yes...unless we move to Nuclear power very soon and away from fossil fuels then we are fucked.

What do you want to hear? That its all roses and bumble bees and we will all be grand??

 

[NoXion]

I've posted once on this thread

And yes...unless we move to Nuclear power very soon and away from fossil fuels then we are fucked.

What do you want to hear? That its all roses and bumble bees and we will all be grand??

Nobody who says this kind of thing ever quantifies what they mean by "fucked". Collapse of civilisation? Human extinction? Both are possibilities, but they are far from certainties.

The alternative to fetishising the apocalypse isn't to do nothing and pretend everything is fine. It's to take action. But people generally aren't going to take any action if they think it's pointless to do so.

I'm concerned that there may be an element of self-fulling prophecy at work, especially given that fossil fuel companies have very deep pockets with which to finance the spread of paralysing despair.

 

[Orang Utan]

The collapse of civilisations is as certain as day and night

 

[Cid]

The collapse of civilisations is as certain as day and night

Of specific civilisations, yes (and presumably of all of them eventually). But that's missing NoXion 's point.

 

[Artaxerxes]

The collapse of civilisations is as certain as day and night

Civilisations don’t collapse, they evolve.

The process is painful and there are clear losers, the trick is to make sure it's the elites.

 

[Gromit]

Please stop doing the fossil fuel companies' propaganda work for them:
People saying shit like "we're fucked" feeds into the despair mongering and doom campaign that the fossil fuels industry has taken to promulgating.

This is why we're fucked though.
People don't think for themselves.
Less so today than ever before.
Religion use to be used manipulate the masses.
Now we have the media and social media.
Twitter bots and spin doctors. The money pays the Piper. The masses dance to the tune.

And so we're fucked.

 

[chilango]

It's too late to stop, or even slow, catastrophic climate change. It has been for some time.

It's not too late to shape how we deal with it.

 

[Karl Masks]

This summer feels hostile. Relentless. Maybe I'm jsut gettin' old. But I can't cope with the heat, not anymore. Maybe it's the heightened awareness of climate change and the cost of living pressures, but these are extraordinary times. We have another week of heatwave, though not as severe. It just feels intense: the very air is a struggle to breath. This isn't even really the start of the kind of conditions scientists have been doing their best to warn people about. But nothing will be done in the immediate future. Yet we know that resolving this crisis becomes more difficult the longer you leave it. That is the sad irony.

 

[Aladdin]

Nobody who says this kind of thing ever quantifies what they mean by "fucked". Collapse of civilisation? Human extinction? Both are possibilities, but they are far from certainties.

The alternative to fetishising the apocalypse isn't to do nothing and pretend everything is fine. It's to take action. But people generally aren't going to take any action if they think it's pointless to do so.

I'm concerned that there may be an element of self-fulling prophecy at work, especially given that fossil fuel companies have very deep pockets with which to finance the spread of paralysing despair.

You are the only one talking about paralysis.

We are fucked.
But that doesn't mean we sit back and do nothing or make things worse.
All we CAN do is move as fast as possible to the best alternatives and a move away from fossil fuels and towards nuclear and alternative energy is necessary for whatever future possible generational version of humanity persists after this mess.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Somehow I find it hard to accept the nuclear option. When all the establishment are in favour you have to question. We have 24 hour tides all around our shores. Harness that energy and you won't need a nuclear industry which can't deal with its hazardous waste and which is linked with nuclear arms. It's also a technology which we specifically don't want used in certain parts of the world.

 

[8ball]

I guess we bought ourselves a bit of time due to the manufacturers of CFC’s not wielding major geopolitical clout, but it’s not looking so good this time.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is why we're fucked though.
People don't think for themselves.
Less so today than ever before.
Religion use to be used manipulate the masses.
Now we have the media and social media.
Twitter bots and spin doctors. The money pays the Piper. The masses dance to the tune.

And so we're fucked.

Even the vogons would recoil from that poem

 

[Orang Utan]

Somehow I find it hard to accept the nuclear option. When all the establishment are in favour you have to question. We have 24 hour tides all around our shores. Harness that energy and you won't need a nuclear industry which can't deal with its hazardous waste and which is linked with nuclear arms. It's also a technology which we specifically don't want used in certain parts of the world.

I don’t think it’s that simple

 

[Pickman's model]

Somehow I find it hard to accept the nuclear option. When all the establishment are in favour you have to question. We have 24 hour tides all around our shores. Harness that energy and you won't need a nuclear industry which can't deal with its hazardous waste and which is linked with nuclear arms. It's also a technology which we specifically don't want used in certain parts of the world.

One of the problems with nuclear had been highlighted the last few days in France where nuclear power stations had trouble with river water being too warm

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I don’t think it’s that simple

Nothing is simple. But politicians saying that we need a mixture of power generation, including nuclear, is simple. And generally sound bite simple. Switch off brain. Spout cliché. That doesn't mean nuclear power couldn't be discussed sensibly. It just rarely is.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

One of the problems with nuclear had been highlighted the last few days in France where nuclear power stations had trouble with river water being too warm

Another potential problem is clear in Ukraine. War. It happens. Most places, given enough time. Nuclear power stations are risky at the best of times, and go on being dangerous for a very long time.

 

[Pickman's model]

Another potential problem is clear in Ukraine. War. It happens. Most places, given enough time. Nuclear power stations are risky at the best of times, and go on being dangerous for a very long time.

And at a time we really need stability if we're going to stave off environmental catastrophe war has never been more on the cards