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Perhaps the newly risen "New Antartica" will've proven comfortably inhabitable. That'll've saved the expense of colonizing the Moon, Mars or Europa... :(

It'll be sometime in the next century before humans could live there on a permanent basis.
Will Antarctica ever be habitable?

I guess we'll have to get ready for a changing coastline and London will probably be caught out
by slow action on protecting London from rising sea levels. I guess people might have already read this.
 
It'll be sometime in the next century before humans could live there on a permanent basis.
Will Antarctica ever be habitable?

I guess we'll have to get ready for a changing coastline and London will probably be caught out
by slow action on protecting London from rising sea levels. I guess people might have already read this.
Excellent article. Wouldn’t it be wonderful is Antarctica could be preserved in its icy beauty and Mars transformed into a habitable place for humans?
 
Excellent article. Wouldn’t it be wonderful is Antarctica could be preserved in its icy beauty and Mars transformed into a habitable place for humans?

Antartica goes through cycles of being covered in Ice and then that ice melting. We are in an interglacial period, what would take hundreds of
thousands of years to achieve in terms of melting the ice sheets in places like Antartica, humans are managing in a few hundred years through the burning of fossil fuels.

As for Mars? We don't have the technology to terraform a planet science fiction style. At best we could set up
colonies on Mars. I think the aim for humanity should be to escape the solar system to see what's out there.
 
Antartica goes through cycles of being covered in Ice and then that ice melting. We are in an interglacial period, what would take hundreds of
thousands of years to achieve in terms of melting the ice sheets in places like Antartica, humans are managing in a few hundred years through the burning of fossil fuels.

As for Mars? We don't have the technology to terraform a planet science fiction style. At best we could set up
colonies on Mars. I think the aim for humanity should be to escape the solar system to see what's out there.
Escaping the solar system would cause certain ethical problems if we constructed a "generation ship".
 

My two last trips were to places where glaciers were disappearing. I was in Glacier National Park in mid-November a couple of years ago and it was obvious that the snowfall was less (e.g. non-existent), and that the glaciers were receding at a rapid pace. They looked nothing like photographs from the 1970s.
 
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Escaping the solar system would cause certain ethical problems if we constructed a "generation ship".

Not that different to the ethical problems they'd face on Mars, if say the ability to leave
and return to earth becomes impossible.

I think humanity will survive climate change, not sure our current civilisation will survive it.
 
Not that different to the ethical problems they'd face on Mars, if say the ability to leave
and return to earth becomes impossible.

I think humanity will survive climate change, not sure our current civilisation will survive it.
Oh, yes, it would be unethical to produce children on Mars.
 
A friend was talking about how her household is planning to relocate to Spain which just made me reflect that I don't think now I would relocate to anywhere south of the UK. 40C summers just seem to be becoming standard in southern Europe and I don't think I could live with that. Just shows how fucked things are really.
 
if the gulf stream shifts britain will be cold as fuck. Maybe I don't have to go to norilsk, maybe norilsk comes to me.
Yeh but norilsk gets warm in the summer. When I went to siberia (yakutsk to tiksi and back) in the summer of '18 I was prepared for things to be cool, but it was really warm and for three days we went through forest fire smoke. My top tip - never wear red in siberia even if it suits you. It attracts the mosquitoes. Learn from my mistake.
 
We are still economically geared around fossil fuels (and lets face it will continue to be). We don't know what will happen in the future with the damage we have already done, but the reality is we need to be hurtling in the other direction; preparing for upheaval, offsetting carbon and inevitable damage to world systems. Whilst needing and adapting to new systems.
 
We are still economically geared around fossil fuels (and lets face it will continue to be). We don't know what will happen in the future with the damage we have already done, but the reality is we need to be hurtling in the other direction; preparing for upheaval, offsetting carbon and inevitable damage to world systems. Whilst needing and adapting to new systems.
yeh and there may be rather less time than assumed for that, if indeed it's still a viable option Trees and land absorbed almost no CO2 last year. Is nature’s carbon sink failing?
 
We are not going to reverse the warming that has taken place. We won't be able to stop the warming of the next few decades. We must aim to minimise future warming, but we will not be able to stop it getting warmer in the next few decades.
 

The Sahara was green 11,000 years ago. It's alternated between times of greening and times of desert. This scientist thinks what tips the balance is the presence of pastoralists who overgraze the land.

When most people imagine an archetypal desert landscape—with its relentless sun, rippling sand and hidden oases—they often picture the Sahara. But 11,000 years ago, what we know today as the world’s largest hot desert would’ve been unrecognizable. The now-dessicated northern strip of Africa was once green and alive, pocked with lakes, rivers, grasslands and even forests. So where did all that water go?

Archaeologist David Wright has an idea: Maybe humans and their goats tipped the balance, kick-starting this dramatic ecological transformation. In a new study in the journal Frontiers in Earth Science, Wright set out to argue that humans could be the answer to a question that has plagued archaeologists and paleoecologists for years.

The Sahara has long been subject to periodic bouts of humidity and aridity. These fluctuations are caused by slight wobbles in the tilt of the Earth’s orbital axis, which in turn changes the angle at which solar radiation penetrates the atmosphere. At repeated intervals throughout Earth’s history, there’s been more energy pouring in from the sun during the West African monsoon season, and during those times—known as African Humid Periods—much more rain comes down over north Africa.

With more rain, the region gets more greenery and rivers and lakes. All this has been known for decades. But between 8,000 and 4,500 years ago, something strange happened: The transition from humid to dry happened far more rapidly in some areas than could be explained by the orbital precession alone, resulting in the Sahara Desert as we know it today. “Scientists usually call it ‘poor parameterization’ of the data,” Wright said by email. “Which is to say that we have no idea what we’re missing here—but something’s wrong.”

As Wright pored the archaeological and environmental data (mostly sediment cores and pollen records, all dated to the same time period), he noticed what seemed like a pattern. Wherever the archaeological record showed the presence of “pastoralists”—humans with their domesticated animals—there was a corresponding change in the types and variety of plants. It was as if, every time humans and their goats and cattle hopscotched across the grasslands, they had turned everything to scrub and desert in their wake.

Wright thinks this is exactly what happened. “By overgrazing the grasses, they were reducing the amount of atmospheric moisture—plants give off moisture, which produces clouds—and enhancing albedo,” Wright said. He suggests this may have triggered the end of the humid period more abruptly than can be explained by the orbital changes. These nomadic humans also may have used fire as a land management tool, which would have exacerbated the speed at which the desert took hold.


I've heard theories linking this transformation from green to desert is responsible for the shift to belief in punitive gods that occurred about the same time. That may be reaching a bit though.
 
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The Sahara was green 11,000 years ago. It's alternated between times of greening and times of desert. This scientist thinks what tips the balance is the presence of pastoralists who overgraze the land.




I've heard theories linking this transformation from green to desert is responsible for the shift to belief in punitive gods that occurred about the same time. That may be reaching a bit though.
Too much meat eating
 
I'm certainly seeing changes in the environment where I live. The farmers here have been cutting down every tree they can find. Often, this is either in the belief that trees promote bird flu by giving them a place to roost, or the belief that trees nearby lower crop yields. I'm fending off a neighbor's desire to cut all my trees down because he claims it's cutting his crop yield by 30 percent. What changes I'm seeing is that we're quickly going back to dustbowl days if we didn't irrigate the shit out of everything. For the last couple of months, we've gotten no rain, and I drive it work in a hail of dust particles. Sometimes it's so bad I can't see past the hood of my car. I also had a weird problem with my car. The "change oil" light kept kicking on, despite the fact that I just changed oil. I figured out that the air filter was caked with dust and replaced it. We've also had 95-degree days in mid-October. We should be getting our first killing freeze now, but it's nowhere in sight. The date of first freeze gets later every year.
 
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