Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[philosophical]

A lot of mood music around in the press suggesting a deal could be done between May and Corbyn. I still remain skeptical but I can see the attraction for both of them. I still think May has more to lose.

The Labour mantra of a customs union, rather than staying with the customs union that exists now, will still it seems to me, to imply difference on either side of the Irish border. If the Labour party are saying 'no, no difference at all' then I fail to see how that means 'leave', unless in some doublethink world leave means remain.
I believe the Labour 'policy' on brexit is one that fails to engage with what the word 'leave' means.

 

[cupid_stunt]

 

[philosophical]

All we have from you is what you post. Your words are there for all to see. Making stuff up is obvious.

Except I don't make stuff up. If something is repeated often enough, like 'The EU is undemocratic', then it becomes phenomenologically true by dint of repetition, not by dint of actual truth.
My words are indeed there for all to see, and I make no apologies for that. Yours are too.

 

[philosophical]

I discovered it by reading your posts.

You discovered what everybody else thinks by reading my posts?
Doesn't sound very credible to me.

 

[kabbes]

Except I don't make stuff up. If something is repeated often enough, like 'The EU is undemocratic', then it becomes phenomenologically true by dint of repetition, not by dint of actual truth.
My words are indeed there for all to see, and I make no apologies for that. Yours are too.

That’s not a phenomenological process. This is not the first time you have made that mistake. If you don’t understand a word, don’t use it.

 

[belboid]

The Labour mantra of a customs union, rather than staying with the customs union that exists now, will still it seems to me, to imply difference on either side of the Irish border. If the Labour party are saying 'no, no difference at all' then I fail to see how that means 'leave', unless in some doublethink world leave means remain.
I believe the Labour 'policy' on brexit is one that fails to engage with what the word 'leave' means.

Do you think everyone else has forgotten that you already tried this argument, and had to admit to failing in it? You didn't understand what the 'common travel area' was and made a knob of yourself. Simply repeating something often enough doesn't make it true, you know.

 

[andysays]

It will split the Tories more than Labour.

There certainly seems to be a concern within the eurosceptic wing of the Tory party that things are getting away from them, and it certainly has the potential to result in a serious split for them as well as a bust up within Labour

Fingers crossed...

 

[philosophical]

Do you think everyone else has forgotten that you already tried this argument, and had to admit to failing in it? You didn't understand what the 'common travel area' was and made a knob of yourself. Simply repeating something often enough doesn't make it true, you know.

'Everybody else'.
Hail somebody who speaks for 'everybody else'.

I disagree with you. I understand about the common travel area, that it arose from an agreement in 1923, and it has since been affected by both the UK and the Republic of Ireland joining the EU at the same time, and by the Good Friday Agreement.
I have not failed in making the argument that the vote to leave means changing the nature of the land border in Ireland.

 

[philosophical]

That’s not a phenomenological process. This is not the first time you have made that mistake. If you don’t understand a word, don’t use it.

I disagree with you. If I think that word is suitable I will use it.

 

[cupid_stunt]

You discovered what everybody else thinks by reading my posts?
Doesn't sound very credible to me.

OK, I'll spell it out, as you seem hard of understanding:

I discovered it by reading your posts AND within those posts, your reaction to just about everyone else, you fuckwit.

Clear enough?

 

[Poi E]

Who would have thought the Brexit thread would descended into tiresome exchanges that go nowhere?

 

[kabbes]

I disagree with you. If I think that word is suitable I will use it.

How can it be suitable if it simply doesn’t mean what you are using it to mean?

Phenomenology is a particular thing. It’s a technique of philosophy developed principally by Husserl and Heidegger to strip away assumed meaning and describe what’s really there. It’s not just a pretty word to be used however you see fit.

 

[Pickman's model]

I disagree with you. If I think that word is suitable I will use it.

Have you ever considered using the Internet to find out what words mean?

 

[philosophical]

OK, I'll spell it out, as you seem hard of understanding:

I discovered it by reading your posts AND within those posts, your reaction to just about everyone else, you fuckwit.

Clear enough?

That is your explanation of how you know what 'everybody else' thinks?
I would be a fuckwit if I thought you made any sense.

 

[Pickman's model]

Who would have thought the Brexit thread would descended into tiresome exchanges that go nowhere?

 

[andysays]

I disagree with you. If I think that word is suitable I will use it.

 

[philosophical]

How can it be suitable if it simply doesn’t mean what you are using it to mean?

Phenomenology is a particular thing. It’s a technique of philosophy developed principally by Husserl and Heidegger to strip away assumed meaning and describe what’s really there. It’s not just a pretty word to be used however you see fit.

'To strip away assumed meaning and describe what's really there'?

Here is a link.

Phenomenology (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

May I draw you attention to the part that says:

The discipline of phenomenology may be defined initially as the study of structures of experience, or consciousness. Literally, phenomenology is the study of “phenomena”: appearances of things, or things as they appear in our experience, or the ways we experience things, thus the meanings things have in our experience. Phenomenology studies conscious experience as experienced from the subjective or first person point of view.

So your assertion is at the very least debatable. You say Phenomenology describes 'what's really there', yet there is another point of view that says it is about subjective conscious experience.

My use of the word isn't controversial in the slightest.

 

[philosophical]

Have you ever considered using the Internet to find out what words mean?

See above.

 

[Pickman's model]

See above.

I'll take that as a no then

 

[philosophical]

I'll take that as a no then

Take it in whatever way you like. I have provided a link above that explains that my use of the word was perfectly OK.
You seem to be itching for an argument...again.

 

[cupid_stunt]

 

[Pickman's model]

Take it in whatever way you like. I have provided a link above that explains that my use of the word was perfectly OK.
You seem to be itching for an argument...again.

Yeh well I don't think you're entirely equipped to scratch that itch

 

[TopCat]

Take it in whatever way you like. I have provided a link above that explains that my use of the word was perfectly OK.
You seem to be itching for an argument...again.

You are really stupid and obtuse and i would wring your neck if it were near.

 

[philosophical]

You are really stupid and obtuse and i would wring your neck if it were near.

How far away from Lewisham are you?

 

[Pickman's model]

How far away from Lewisham are you?

Far enough his arms won't stretch there

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

140/883 containing Ireland rather more than 1%, could you show your working

There’s way more than that, he went through a spell of trying to say “Irish land border” using as many alternative words/phrases as possible, almost as if he was aware the repition had reached insane levels. That probably accounts for the other 700.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

My favourite was land (and water!!!) thrown in about 600 posts in

 

[kabbes]

'To strip away assumed meaning and describe what's really there'?

Here is a link.

Phenomenology (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

May I draw you attention to the part that says:

The discipline of phenomenology may be defined initially as the study of structures of experience, or consciousness. Literally, phenomenology is the study of “phenomena”: appearances of things, or things as they appear in our experience, or the ways we experience things, thus the meanings things have in our experience. Phenomenology studies conscious experience as experienced from the subjective or first person point of view.

So your assertion is at the very least debatable. You say Phenomenology describes 'what's really there', yet there is another point of view that says it is about subjective conscious experience.

My use of the word isn't controversial in the slightest.

That definition doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Have you actually studied this stuff or are you desperately making it up as you go along?

 

[Pickman's model]

There’s way more than that, he went through a spell of trying to say “Irish land border” using as many alternative words/phrases as possible, almost as if he was aware the repition had reached insane levels. That probably accounts for the other 700.

253 posts containing border

 

[philosophical]

That definition doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Have you actually studied this stuff or are you desperately making it up as you go along?

No desperation at all.