Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
I'll put a year's supply of snacks and nibbles on "later".
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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I'll put a year's supply of snacks and nibbles on "later".
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
"Retains the benefits" is alarmingly close to Davis and Legatum's "getting to the same means by different outcomes". The benefits could be anything you like.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Anything the EU27 like.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
“Retain the benefits” = keep the bit about trade and ditch freedom of movement so we don’t lose voters to UKIP. Cake and eat it in other words.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Labour seem to be playing it about right. It would be a mistake to offer an alternative way to do brexit because brexit as in leave everything which is what all the leavers I know voted for is not doable & anything else is probably worse than staying in. So they need to keep pushing the tories on domestic issues to expose they have just not fucked up brexit. Labour probably have already decided that winning the next election is more important than the outcome of brexit.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Well clearly the EU is not going to stand for that. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous and doomed to backfire.
This whole fiasco has been caused by Cameron wanting to claw votes back from UKIP. It's time to stop playing that game. Particularly as UKIP is currently deader than the Pat Sharp mullet.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
That's not cake and eat it, IMO. There will be a price to pay, but it can be paid in money and restricted access for services, which would suit the EU well enough. They wouldn't have been on the verge of agreeing otherwise.
gosub
~#
I disagree on EFTA being worse than staying in. And "playing it about right" -if they thought they could get away with handing in a note saying "Please excuse Jeremy from playing games. Signed Jeremy's Mum" they fucking would
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
They're not wrong. Brexit may ruin us in ten years time, tory austerity could do it in three.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
It's great being the opposition
John McDonnell: we must leave the single market to respect the referendum result
Tom Watson: we should stay in the single market and customs union permanently
Jon Ashworth, Jenny Chapman: we have to leave the single market
Diane Abbott: we should keep freedom of movement
Jeremy Corbyn, Keir Starmer: freedom of movement ends with Brexit
Barry Gardiner: staying in the customs union would be a disaster
Corbyn: whipped vote against single market and customs union membership
Starmer: we should stay in the single market and customs union (which means keeping free movement)
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Odds on bets which pay out in ten years time are always going to be quite attractive.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
The same company had remain to win at 1/4.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but if people will chuck their money away...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no, it's not saying that at all.
what it's saying is that a load of money has gone on the top bet. could simply be one person chucking on £10k.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Paddy's yer man,,,,
Seriously don't understand people gambling on politics at such short odds.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
unpredictability. If you'd have bet on corbyn to be labour leader before the post 2015 leadership election then you'd have made bare P's
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and if you'd had an accumulator with leicester winning the league and britain leaving the eu you'd never have to work again.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It doesn't cover all options, of course. If brexit is abandoned, I would expect that to come after May has been deposed.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. as anyone who frequents bookies knows, they do not display an exhaustive list of all outcomes.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
You're a nasty piece of work.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You've selectively quoted to divorce that from its context, which is dishonest.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Because he stated a matter of empirical fact? You're a weirdo. Here you are, net EU contribution divided by population.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So tell me, how does brexit help Greece?You're even worse.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
You're even worse.
Because I've been banging on about the distinctions between the EU and the Eurozone, the IMF and the EMS, and so on? Or why?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he is indeed. liberals always are.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'd have thought Theresa May will almost certainly be PM when we leave, so 2/1 is a good price (technically, she might resign between a final deal being agreed and the UK actually withdrawing). It's the madness of the current circumstances, everything is fucked up and unmanageable but doesn't quite add up to a scenario for someone challenging her. Like watching a drunk weaving through the traffic, no way they can survive but you somehow know they will. I also can't see her resigning. Her position is pitiful, but her sense of self is tied up getting through to the finishing line. It's not redemption for calling the 2017 election, but it's all that she's got.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
There will be quite a lot of headroom for that, and the knives will be out the very second that the final outcome can be pinned on her. Hence the price, I guess.
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