Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[SpackleFrog]

Seriously I think we should elect Wilf speaker of the thread so he can rule out of order any points which are substantively the same as points which have already been rejected.

 

[xenon]

Let's say EU leaders refuse an extention on Thursday, possibly next week. Why? Because nothing's changed. May has nothing new to put to a vote.

Who still thinks the government will cancel article 50? In that scenario, I 65% don't think it will happen. Not via a vote, neither via government unilateral action. So crash out on 29th.

 

[Wilf]

One last thing (!). The leavers on the left are going to condemn the 'not wealthy' in the UK to a really shitty future. And we all know why. If anyone thinks that that would create a space for radical ideas to flourish you're full of shit.

I'm not a left leaver, because I don't think there was an ever a Lexit campaign or likely outcome. But blaming the non-liberal left for attacks on the working class is astonishing. Of all the groups and forces in play, y'know, I think there might be a few other culprits.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Let's say EU leaders refuse an extention on Thursday, possibly next week. Why? Because nothing's changed. May has nothing new to put to a vote.

Who still thinks the government will cancel article 50? In that scenario, I 65% don't think it will happen. Not via a vote, neither via government unilateral action. So crash out on 29th.

Sure but EU leaders won't refuse an extension.

Oh god here we go again...MR SPEAKER!

 

[xenon]

has anyone mentioned the NI border issue yet?

 

[DotCommunist]

condemn the 'not wealthy' in the UK to a really shitty future

towing the yacht we could have won away, forever.

 

[Ming]

I'm not a left leaver, because I don't think there was an ever a Lexit campaign or likely outcome. But blaming the non-liberal left for attacks on the working class is astonishing. Of all the groups and forces in play, y'know, I think there might be a few other culprits.

Stop with the hyperbole. Capital will royally fuck all kinds of regulations protecting all kinds of things and taxation (and hence the welfare state) will be slashed to the bone as soon as they can post Brexit.

 

[SpackleFrog]

towing the yacht we could have won away, forever.

I coulda won a yacht, too, if it wasn't for those pesky lefties...

 

[SpackleFrog]

Stop with the hyperbole. Capital will royally fuck all kinds of regulations protecting all kinds of things and taxation (and hence the welfare state) will be slashed to the bone as soon as they can post Brexit.

If that's true why isn't capital doing that alrea...oh fuck it just make sure you pay your tenner to the server fund on March 30th please.

 

[Wilf]

Seriously I think we should elect Wilf speaker of the thread so he can rule out of order any points which are substantively the same as points which have already been rejected.

Problem would be, I wouldn't fancy eating swan and all the other rubbish scran that speaker type felllers have to eat. I will though promise to tell several posters to STFU on this thread.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Problem would be, I wouldn't fancy eating swan and all the other rubbish scran that speaker type felllers have to eat. I will though promise to tell several posters to STFU on this thread.

I'll eat the swans for you.

 

[Wilf]

Stop with the hyperbole. Capital will royally fuck all kinds of regulations protecting all kinds of things and taxation (and hence the welfare state) will be slashed to the bone as soon as they can post Brexit.

And right on cue...

 

[Ming]

towing the yacht we could have won away, forever.

It's not what we'd like though is it? I always say if you're going that way (points left) i'm with you. If you're going that way (right) i'm against you. Broadly speaking. I'm into collectivism, redistribution and regulation. Very broadly speaking. But there are moments in history when things go decisively one way or the other. 1948 was one for the left and i think this is one for the right.

 

[Ranbay]

900 pages before I wake up you watch.

 

[Wilf]

Jim Bowen - The Speaker
Period till the 29th March - the time it takes for board to spin round
Bully's Special Prize - great trade deals with everybody, £350m for the NHS, free cats
Look at What You Could Have Won - MV3
Tankards - Farage

 

[philosophical]

has anyone mentioned the NI border issue yet?

Funny you should mention that. Seeing as how the UK is physically joined to the EU on the island of Ireland how is it supposed to leave?
Like voting that men should experience pregnancy and childbirth, vote for it all you like but it can't be done (as far as I know anyway).

 

[JimW]

My point remains this is a planned situation. By the Tories and their financial backers to change the UK for the foreseeable to their advantage...

Thought the consensus even among remainers was this wasn't planned at all, Cameron massively miscalculated with an eye only on internal Tory factions.

 

[DotCommunist]

Funny you should mention that.

speak of the devils favourite point...

 

[DotCommunist]

'48 came not to condemn capitalism but to save it

 

[Ming]

Thought the consensus even among remainers was this wasn't planned at all, Cameron massively miscalculated with an eye only on internal Tory factions.

Can't disagree with the internal factions bit. I'm going to reach here which means i'm easy pickin's...however....I don't think the Tory leave crew were that enthusiastic and not because they thought they'd win. It's not in their entitled mindset to give a fuck about the oiks is it. And any chance to reduce tax and regulation is great, right (from their mind set)? So campaign poorly to deliberately lose. I know i'll get chewed for that but's my honest opinion. Also a lot of external factions had an interest (Russia, Robert Mercer/Koch brothers, Cambridge Analytica, Hedge funds connected to Tory politicians (JRM and Farage that i know about)). Quite a few really.

 

[Ming]

'48 came not to condemn capitalism but to save it

Keynes right?

 

[CRI]

I said airhead, quoting CRI. He didn't know and now looks like a duck. Total duck.

I called Esther McVey an airhead, so YOU called ME an airhead in response. Charming!

You may admire her as an intelligent, well-informed, effective parliamentarian, and wish her success in her forthcoming bid to be leader of the Conservative party.

I think she's an airhead, among other uncharitable descriptors I could use. So there.

MP 'regrets' memorial service tweet
Esther McVey: new welfare minister criticised for defending rise of food banks in 2013
#McVeyFacts trends on Twitter after Brexiteer tweets false claim about EU

 

[Ming]

I called Esther McVey an airhead, so YOU called ME an airhead in response. Charming!

You may admire her as an intelligent, well-informed, effective parliamentarian, and wish her success in her forthcoming bid to be leader of the Conservative party.

I think she's an airhead, among other uncharitable descriptors I could use. So there.

MP 'regrets' memorial service tweet
Esther McVey: new welfare minister criticised for defending rise of food banks in 2013
#McVeyFacts trends on Twitter after Brexiteer tweets false claim about EU

She used to be my local MP. And she lied to my face over the partisan nature of a petition she was trying to get me to sign over local post office closures.

 

[elbows]

HE IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA

Also...

 

[collectordave]

Is that common sense I see peeping through?

Banned from telling the same joke three times, brilliant a well established principle employed all over europe in every bar and cafe why should the Westminster bar be any different?

I thought it would be nice to see the british government getting on with business but then I could not think of anything they do except cock everything up.

 

[redsquirrel]

Charming. Do you know you put people off posting in this forum? We’re supposed to be broadly on the same side. Yes the EU is a neo-liberal organization which fucked Greece. Which is bad. But stop being such a dick.

This is absolute gubbins. In fact it shows the complete misunderstanding at the heart of some on here. It's the same type on nonsense that leads you to make Cameron in favour in leaving the EU. Absolutely no analysis just a division into "good" and "bad" teams, and my enemy's enemy is my friend. Despite it being pointed out to you time and time again that such politics is not just false but actually dangerous.

Leaving aside her appalling personal behaviour (smearing people as racists on a false basis), CRI's politics are hostile to mine, to butchers, to those of us who are socialists, communists and anarchists.

 

[butchersapron]

Stop with the hyperbole. Capital will royally fuck all kinds of regulations protecting all kinds of things and taxation (and hence the welfare state) will be slashed to the bone as soon as they can post Brexit.

Yes down with hyperbole

 

[andysays]

Charming. Do you know you put people off posting in this forum? We’re supposed to be broadly on the same side. Yes the EU is a neo-liberal organization which fucked Greece. Which is bad. But stop being such a dick.

1. BA was clearly and deliberately echoing CRI 's earlier use of the term 'airhead'

2. Dunno what 'side' you're on, but I'm definitely not on the same side as CRI

 

[redsquirrel]

It's not what we'd like though is it? I always say if you're going that way (points left) i'm with you. If you're going that way (right) i'm against you. Broadly speaking. I'm into collectivism, redistribution and regulation. Very broadly speaking. But there are moments in history when things go decisively one way or the other. 1948 was one for the left and i think this is one for the right.

And in this politics as a badge, as an identity, which side are TIG, the LibDems and the CBI on? They goodies or baddies? After all they all favour Remain, or perhaps, like Cameron, they are secret Leavers?

 

[Pickman's model]

The people who complain the most vociferously about being called drunk are drunk. And the people who complain most loudly about being named airhead? What might they be?