Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[gentlegreen]

efta's reached a deal on citizens' rights with the uk

Presumably that's only people who are "abroad" at the time and won't apply to any subsequent (re-)entry ?

 

[butchersapron]

Presumably that's only people who are "abroad" at the time and won't apply to any subsequent (re-)entry ?

It's tied to citizens’ rights. What are you asking? If non citizens of the EEA EFTA states have citizen's rights in EEA EFTA states?

 

[killer b]

Seem the EU bamboozle and flatter into stupidity people like him many many times over the last 3 decades.

Huge swathes of his party and base think the EU is fucking wonderful. Playing pretty with them is for them.

 

[butchersapron]

Huge swathes of his party and base think the EU is fucking wonderful. Playing pretty with them is for them.

They don't need it though. He has shifted focus significantly since he came back from Brussels. To do so is going to destabilise the coalition he's spent two+ years putting together. I can't see why he would do that all of a sudden without being convinced of something when he met these scumbags. Not everything he and his lot do are perfectly judged and executed moves - plenty of room for him to fuck up.

 

[bemused]

Huge swathes of his party and base think the EU is fucking wonderful. Playing pretty with them is for them.

Isn't only playing to your base modern politics now ... depressing really

 

[killer b]

They don't need it though. He has shifted focus significantly since he came back from Brussels. To do so is going to destabilise the coalition he's spent two+ years putting together. I can't see why he would do that all of a sudden without being convinced of something when he met these scumbags. Not everything he and his lot do are perfectly judged and executed moves - plenty of room for him to fuck up.

I don't know how well judged or executed it is, but that's what he's doing.

 

[killer b]

Isn't only playing to your base modern politics now ... depressing really

it isn't just playing to his base though, it's also about looking like the adult in the room to the electorate.

 

[butchersapron]

it isn't just playing to his base though, it's also about looking like the adult in the room to the electorate.

This looks more like him going i've talked to the bully behind your back and he agrees with me.

 

[killer b]

This looks more like him going i've talked to the bully behind your back and he agrees with me.

That's certainly how some people will view it, yeah. But it's not really a departure from the approach they've taken over the last couple of years - a pragmatic & sensible jobs-first brexit negotiated with our fraternal european partners yadda yadda yadda

 

[bemused]

it isn't just playing to his base though, it's also about looking like the adult in the room to the electorate.

The last few days has been good for Labour I think.

 

[butchersapron]

The last few days has been good for Labour I think.

You not seen the times/yougov polling then?

 

[killer b]

this is the hottest take.

 

[Wilf]

The interesting thing will be the extent to which the EU get behind Corbyn and his second ref line. In some ways it would be just about the last thing he'd want as he walks almost as many tightropes as May.

 

[CRI]

Where would the Labour votes have come from to win on a Remain or second ref platform? How would they have been enough to replace what they would have lost?

If Labour had come out on a platform of remaining in the EU and withdrawing Article 50 for the June 2017 election, they'd have trounced the Tories. Yes, some Labour-Leave voters would have bitched about it, but there was enough information and opportunity then to make the case for remaining in the EU to persuade enough of them that leaving would be absolutely NOT in their best interest (as we absolutely know to be the case now.) Even if some stayed home or cast protest votes for UKIP or AN Other, I'm sure Labour still would have picked up enough seats to form a majority.

Opportunity missed. Big fucking opportunity missed.

 

[Wilf]

If Labour had come out on a platform of remaining in the EU and withdrawing Article 50 for the June 2017 election, they'd have trounced the Tories. Yes, some Labour-Leave voters would have bitched about it, but there was enough information and opportunity then to make the case for remaining in the EU to persuade enough of them that leaving would be absolutely NOT in their best interest (as we absolutely know to be the case now.) Even if some stayed home or cast protest votes for UKIP or AN Other, I'm sure Labour still would have picked up enough seats to form a majority.

Opportunity missed. Big fucking opportunity missed.

I'm not seeing a great deal of evidence to support any of that.

 

[killer b]

Lol. There is literally no-one who's done any serious research into the 2017 election who actually thinks this.

 

[Teaboy]

If Labour had come out on a platform of remaining in the EU and withdrawing Article 50 for the June 2017 election, they'd have trounced the Tories. Yes, some Labour-Leave voters would have bitched about it, but there was enough information and opportunity then to make the case for remaining in the EU to persuade enough of them that leaving would be absolutely NOT in their best interest (as we absolutely know to be the case now.) Even if some stayed home or cast protest votes for UKIP or AN Other, I'm sure Labour still would have picked up enough seats to form a majority.

Opportunity missed. Big fucking opportunity missed.

Certainly worked wonders for the lib dems at the last election.

What a bizarre and insular world you operate in.

 

[butchersapron]

Wish fulfilment nothings

 

[SpineyNorman]

Whoever came up with "Brexit" needs to be shot in the face - ditto "brexiteer".

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The inventors of any compound words should be killed in the face with a rusty spoon imo. One of the things I'm 100% with Orwell on.

 

[killer b]

withdrawing article 50 and cancelling brexit is the policy the Tories wanted Labour to run on ffs.

 

[Wilf]

The inventors of any compound words should be killed in the face with a rusty spoon imo. One of the things I'm 100% with Orwell on.

Portmanteau Cunts.

 

[Wilf]

The inventors of any compound words should be killed in the face with a rusty spoon imo. One of the things I'm 100% with Orwell on.

To be honest, I'd use a splade.

 

[Crispy]

The inventors of any compound words

Compentors?

 

[Teaboy]

Anyway May's announcement today won't be good news to those who want a hard brexit. Should her deal get voted now (which I'm not sure it will) then an extension looks by far and away the most likely scenario. Just more blackmail this time against the ERG.

I'm not really sure what the point of extension is if May is still in charge. She's deliberately the run the clock down for political expediency and given she only has one gear there is little reason to believe she wouldn't do exactly the same again.

 

[elbows]

Bru-turn if you want to, the bradies brot for brurning.

 

[DotCommunist]

compound words

portmanteau words. Which is a bastard to spell

 

[DotCommunist]

Portmanteau Cunts.

ONE OF THE TEAM

 

[steveo87]

Bru-turn if you want to, the bradies brot for brurning.

Dentures slippes?

 

[CRI]

Certainly worked wonders for the lib dems at the last election.

What a bizarre and insular world you operate in.

Seriously? Can't compare the two. LibDems fucked up by propping up the Tories so regardless of what they offer, plenty wouldn't have nor ever will touch them. But you carry on believing if it helps.

 

[killer b]

Do you have links to any credible research that suggests Labour would have won the election if they'd run on the policies the tories wanted them to? I'd love to read it if so.