Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Pickman's model]

That's why we change our accents at job interviews. I always felt more sorry for the posh people who actually can't change their accents as well, because they've never had to. They have one posh default, and if they try to informalise their accent and drop their H's, it sounds effected to me...

I can code switch from my natural Salford urban working class idiolect to newsreader in a heartbeat, it's what you do to increase your social mobility, it should not be a fact of life of course, but it is.

affected. the effect is it sounds affected. people get this wrong all the fucking time.

 

[seventh bullet]

I thought Wookey was intelligent enough to know the difference.

 

[mojo pixy]

That's why we change our accents at job interviews.

Can I add that IMO it is OK to do that, just like we dress up the body for an interview, I don't see any harm in dressing up the voice to go along with the clothing. If changing the accent to grab a bit more temporary social capital is dishonest, then so is changing the clothes or having a haircut.

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought Wookey was intelligent enough to know the difference.

it's his erroneous vocabulary

 

[Wookey]

The problem is not with education per se but the use of access to formal education as a way to to not only denigrate and attempt to humiliate people into silence (what would you know about such things van driver/hair dresser/stay at home parent) or to try and invalidate what they are saying because of their class/economic status. And it's that status value which some people attach to that access and through which I have seen nasty irl put-downs of 'ordinary' people. It is often used as a way to dismiss or disregard w/c people and it should be challenged.

I am also amused by your conflation of access to formal education with intelligence or intellectual curiosity and learning. That is where the above is also used to attack and exclude w/c people, when these types are challenged by the arguments or better knowledge of people deemed their social inferiors. It is intended to shut those challenges down by appealing to their own authority. The parading of educational credentials as a way to put the prole back in their place. There's nasty class dynamics going on with that and it should be shown up for what it is.

TR is petit-bourgeois labour camp fodder.

If I tried to fix a tap, and I was doing it wrongly, and a plumber with 20 years plumbing experience tried to tell me how to do it, I would concede to her superior experience, STFU and listen to her. Expertise shouldn't be dismissed as a way of protecting one's fragile ego. Some people just know more about certain things - so when I was told I was in no position to question Wilf's use of the word "mitigates", as a linguist, English teacher and professional writer, I would disagree.

In the same way as my years as a barman mean I know what goes into cocktails, my years as a waiter mean I do subservient customer service really well, my years as a court reporter mean I kinda understand the workings of applied justice - it's just what we know.

I guess the people have had enough of experts though, eh?

 

[Wookey]

affected. the effect is it sounds affected. people get this wrong all the fucking time.

I get it wrong every time, and also "effect" and "affect". It's a blind spot, we all have them apparently, repeated mistakes that show up again and again until we can't recall which one is the right one, cause we've made the mistakes so repeatedly.

 

[seventh bullet]

If I tried to fix a tap, and I was doing it wrongly, and a plumber with 20 years plumbing experience tried to tell me how to do it, I would concede to her superior experience, STFU and listen to her. Expertise shouldn't be dismissed as a way of protecting one's fragile ego. Some people just know more about certain things - so when I was told I was in no position to question Wilf's use of the word "mitigates", as a linguist, English teacher and professional writer, I would disagree.

In the same way as my years as a barman mean I know what goes into cocktails, my years as a waiter mean I do subservient customer service really well, my years as a court reporter mean I kinda understand the workings of applied justice - it's just what we know.

I guess the people have had enough of experts though, eh?

Way to have completely misunderstood what I posted.

 

[Wookey]

it's his erroneous vocabulary

As bad as your punctuation mate.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think by mitigates you might mean justify? Or minimise?

Why mention her impact on dv services if you aren't actually (despite the underline) trying precisely to do that? It's not relevant at all to the discussion, unless you are suggesting she somehow asked for it coz of her CV, which I'm sure you wouldn't.

i think you might want to review what mitigate means, as it seems to be covered by meanings 4.c. and/or 4.e. of the verb 'mitigate'

 

[Pickman's model]

As bad as your punctuation mate.

i don't have a punctuation mate. you see how your omitted comma changes the meaning of your sentence from what i presume was intended to be 'as bad as your punctuation, mate'.

 

[Poi E]

Hear a posh accent and I usually assume their bullshitting. Maybe Hollywood villains have done that.

 

[Pickman's model]

I get it wrong every time, and also "effect" and "affect". It's a blind spot, we all have them apparently, repeated mistakes that show up again and again until we can't recall which one is the right one, cause we've made the mistakes so repeatedly.

you mean you've made the mistakes so frequently. i thought as a linguist and teacher, not to mention as a professional writers, you'd be able to differentiate between two words of similar appearance but different meanings.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hear a posh accent and I usually assume their bullshitting. Maybe Hollywood villains have done that.

the posher the accent the deeper the bullshit?

 

[Supine]

If I was interviewing somebody and thought they were putting on an accent i'd think their a twat.

 

[isvicthere?]

the posher the accent the deeper the bullshit?

If so, JRM is in trouble.

 

[Pickman's model]

If so, JRM is in trouble.

not to mention the queen and her nefandous spawn

 

[mojo pixy]

If I was interviewing somebody and thought they were putting on an accent i'd think their a twat.

How would you know?
Would you feel the same if you didn't think their clothes suited them?

 

[andysays]

That's why we change our accents at job interviews. I always felt more sorry for the posh people who actually can't change their accents as well, because they've never had to. They have one posh default, and if they try to informalise their accent and drop their H's, it sounds effected to me...

I can code switch from my natural Salford urban working class idiolect to newsreader in a heartbeat, it's what you do to increase your social mobility, it should not be a fact of life of course, but it is.

(((Posh people)))

 

[Wookey]

i don't have a punctuation mate. you see how your omitted comma changes the meaning of your sentence from what i presume was intended to be 'as bad as your punctuation, mate'.

no it doesn change the meaning at all, the meaning remains quite the same even without punctuation, you're just pointing out the difference between formal punctuation and less formal punctuation, not semantic differences

 

[Supine]

How would you know?
Would you feel the same if you didn't think their clothes suited them?

I wouldn't know how clothes suited somebody. I'd be looking to employ somebody authentic regardless of accent, hometown, suit colour or football team supported...

 

[killer b]

lads.

 

[Pickman's model]

no it doesn change the meaning at all, the meaning remains quite the same even without punctuation, you're just pointing out the difference between formal punctuation and less formal punctuation, not semantic differences

ywstwy

 

[butchersapron]

I love it when experts attempt urban demotic mate.

 

[Teaboy]

May needs to bring the vote if for no other reason then to get this thread back on track.

 

[butchersapron]

I wouldn't know how clothes suited somebody. I'd be looking to employ somebody authentic regardless of accent, hometown, suit colour or football team supported...

I'm not working for you. You're a prick.

 

[Winot]

U75 threads will stay relevant after we’ve left the EU.

 

[Poi E]

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[Poi E]

So foreign accents ok for the job but not local ones? Someone needs to sort this shit out. Fuck being ashamed of your country and its linguistic splendour.

 

[Wookey]

i think you might want to review what mitigate means, as it seems to be covered by meanings 4.c. and/or 4.e. of the verb 'mitigate'
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Thanks for that, I love new knowledge and being better informed today than I was yesterday, no matter the class of the person telling me!

you mean you've made the mistakes so frequently. i thought as a linguist and teacher, not to mention as a professional writers, you'd be able to differentiate between two words of similar appearance but different meanings.

Not frequently, every single time. The same way I can never spell receive properly (just got it wrong there again, thanks spellcheck!) it's a repeated error of mine. We all have them, I used to have a journo work for me who would always get "could of" and "could have" wrong - he had a degree in English too. Doesn't mean he wasn't a superb writer and communicator who was very, very good at punctuation. It was just his blind spot.

 

[butchersapron]

Make sure that's its clear that they worked for you. For you.