Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[two sheds]

JC’s state aid stance has been critiqued here:

Is nationalizing the same as giving state aid? In which case surely no EU country would have any nationalized sector.

From Wiki: Germany "2008 Renationalization of the "Bundesdruckerei" (Federal Print Office), which had been privatized in 2001."

Eta: and trains and NHS for example in UK get large subsidies - how does that work?

 

[butchersapron]

Is nationalizing the same as giving state aid? In which case surely no EU country would have any nationalized sector.

From Wiki: Germany "2008 Renationalization of the "Bundesdruckerei" (Federal Print Office), which had been privatized in 2001."

Eta: and trains and NHS for example in UK get large subsidies - how does that work?

Opening public services up to market competition - which the state can win if it's the best at opening up the service to free market competition. That's what nationalistion means in the EU. Not what you are thinking of at all.

 

[butchersapron]

Eta: and trains and NHS for example in UK get large subsidies - how does that work?

The EU is based on subsidising capital and its costs. Getting you to pay. That's not uniquely british and its the whole point of the project.

The NHS gets money because we choose to fund it - there is no profit motive that needs to be met. Where is the problem? The EU has a problem with that not being open to market competition though.

 

[butchersapron]

He may not be, but the Lab membership is. In my view he is toast if he facilitates a Brexit that is anything but very soft BINO.

Because you appear to have no principles or views beyond brexit. This, of course, was behind the massive lib dem surge in the last election.

 

[paolo]

Is nationalizing the same as giving state aid? In which case surely no EU country would have any nationalized sector.

From Wiki: Germany "2008 Renationalization of the "Bundesdruckerei" (Federal Print Office), which had been privatized in 2001."

Eta: and trains and NHS for example in UK get large subsidies - how does that work?

I’ll let someone else comment on state provided healthcare.

For trains...

The UK has always been privatising far beyond any EU directive.

The EU might just get vaguely near UK policy, with the forthcoming fourth railway package. It requires that ops are put out to tender. State owned business can win a tender.

And indeed here in the UK, they already have. In the UK, EU state companies run trains and buses.

The only that thing that isn’t allowed here - which the EU completely allows and will
do - is our own state running anything (Except when the private sector defaults, natch)

When the EU fourth railway package kicks in, well maybe it’s to hell in a hand cart. A cart we pioneered decades ago. Take back control!

 

[ska invita]

We’re now in a moronic stasis.

Corbyn’s effectively backing a variation of May’s already proven unvotable deal.

The two party system is offering a single “choice”.

Wow.

Imo hes just triangulating and posturing and positioning Labour as honouring the vote. It's a signal to Leave voters, who I doubt buy it, yet Remainers seem to be taking it as gospel.

Yep. I think it’s shoddy tactics. A nod and a wink “we’ll get this sorted, can’t say too much guv, eh, trust me squire”

And we head to the wire.

A bus half full of people screaming, and the other half the bus downing another happy vally.

Who is taking back control?

I recommend switching off till after the vote in a month's time. There's nothing to see here

 

[butchersapron]

Corbyn slapping down Starmer and pricks like that in the party is nothing to see?

 

[Brainaddict]

Posted this elsewhere but Brexit is making some people totally lose the plot.

 

[butchersapron]

Not Rowling! Oh No!! etc

 

[butchersapron]

Same cloth as half the posts on this thread.

 

[Brainaddict]

I know she's always had crap views, just amazed that she sat down and planned out that whole cringe-worthy thread and posted it. It's like something a sixth-former might write while bored in a class.

 

[butchersapron]

Obv inspired by that guilty christian labour MP the other day.

 

[DotCommunist]

I know she's always had crap views, just amazed that she sat down and planned out that whole cringe-worthy thread and posted it. It's like something a sixth-former might write while bored in a class.

its shit, but then Rowling has been taking the piss out of her audience for a long time. Laziness.

 

[paolo]

It's nuts.

There's Lineker, Delia Smith and now Rowling at the forefront.

How can they challenge the big thinkers?

Putin, Trump, even our own Yaxley Lennon, they're backing it! Take back control they say, so let them!

 

[TopCat]

Again, the millionaires should realise their remainer bleating solidifies the leave vote.

 

[Wilf]

It's nuts.

There's Lineker, Delia Smith and now Rowling at the forefront.

How can they challenge the big thinkers?

Putin, Trump, even our own Yaxley Lennon, they're backing it! Take back control they say, so let them!

Hang on, is Delia up for re2? That's me in!

 

[Wookey]

Again, the millionaires should realise their remainer bleating solidifies the leave vote.

Just who the hell in the Remain camp are you listening to if you aren't listening to Delia Fucking Smith??

She virtually invented custard probably. Spect your elders.

 

[Wookey]

Posted this elsewhere but Brexit is making some people totally lose the plot.

That was the first writing of JK Rowling I have ever read that wasn't in her actual voice. Don't think I'll bother with any more, it's tortured.

Still, she is on the right side and I'm grateful for that coz her audience is young and has votes now.

 

[Wolveryeti]

Same cloth as half the posts on this thread.

Such a shame.

She loves writing about unicorns - you two should get along.

 

[paolo]

Again, the millionaires should realise their remainer bleating solidifies the leave vote.

Trump.
Putin.

Solid.

 

[butchersapron]

Trump.
Putin.

Solid.

In full

 

[redsquirrel]

Trump.
Putin.

Solid.

288 posts on this thread and not once has a supposed socialist talked about class.
It's the EU vs UK, Labour vs Tory, Remainers vs Leavers. But labour vs capital, nope that doesn't exist.

 

[brogdale]

FT reckons on the attritional strategy from the tories...



based on winning over the DUP with some 'confection' from Brussels and the 'domino effect' on their own malcontents.

 

[gentlegreen]

288 posts on this thread and not once has a supposed socialist talked about class.
It's the EU vs UK, Labour vs Tory, Remainers vs Leavers. But labour vs capital, nope that doesn't exist.

That's somewhat patronising.
It's simply that quite a lot of us see the EU as imperfect, but the best option at the moment - and this exercise will hopefully make us take more of an active interest in future - especially as it has revealed a massive level of incompetence among the UK political class.
If you really want violent revolution, I believe you can join in for the price of a cheap hiviz ...

 

[butchersapron]

That's somewhat patronising.
It's simply that quite a lot of us see the EU as imperfect, but the best option at the moment - and this exercise will hopefully make us take more of an active interest in future - especially as it has revealed a massive level of incompetence among the UK political class.
If you really want violent revolution, I believe you can join in for the price of a cheap hiviz ...

eh? You literally prove the point.

 

[butchersapron]

288 posts on this thread and not once has a supposed socialist talked about class.
It's the EU vs UK, Labour vs Tory, Remainers vs Leavers. But labour vs capital, nope that doesn't exist.

Not once have they said what they're going to do to turn the EU into a socalist super state or a single thint to stop the EU neoliberalism that attacks this.

 

[butchersapron]

Most leave people have disengaged - happy to see what havoc clown liberals like lbj might wrought. We haven't gone away.

 

[sleaterkinney]

But labour vs capital, nope that doesn't exist.

It does, but brexit either won't make any difference to it, or it will be an opportunity for capital to muscle in even more.

 

[gentlegreen]

 

[isvicthere?]

Most leave people have disengaged - happy to see what havoc clown liberals like lbj might wrought. We haven't gone away.

LBJ? Not president Johnson?