Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Poot]

Divorced middle-aged man might not be such a bad analogy for post-Brexit Britain - not hard to see the country moaning about its ex all the time and blowing shitloads of money on a sports-car industry to try to impress countries much younger than it.

That is clearly on the horizon. I feel like at the moment we're in the stage where we are singing 'I Will Survive' into an empty prosecco bottle and sitting outside our ex's flat at 3am while all our friends say in a kind voice 'Let's go home with our dignity, eh? Time to leave now'.

 

[Poi E]

Even Scottish mates want to call it a night.

 

[Poot]

Gibraltar thought she was sharing a cab with us. She's right fucked off.

 

[Kaka Tim]

So - May is going to return from the EU meeting with no further concessions and a unanimous message "negotiations are over" - interesting to see what Gove and the gang do now.
Although the usual suspicion is that they do nothing - i have a feeling that many of the brexiteers actually want brexit to now collapse - the deal is awful and it has exposed reality of what leaving the EU would mean in practice. Raab - and several other leading brexiteers - have stated that the deal is worse than staying in (and it is)
Their dream of - basically - cake - is forever out of reach.
If they crash the deal and this leads to the UK staying in they can blame it all on May (and the EU and the treacherous elites etc) for betraying brexit whilst they remained loyal believers. They can also fight a faux campaign for "no deal" knowing full well it wont be allowed to happen.

 

[Pickman's model]

So - May is going to return from the EU meeting with no further concessions and a unanimous message "negotiations are over" - interesting to see what Gove and the gang do now.
Although the usual suspicion is that they do nothing - i have a feeling that many of the brexiteers actually want brexit to now collapse - the deal is awful and it has exposed reality of what leaving the EU would mean in practice. Raab - and several other leading brexiteers - have stated that the deal is worse than staying in (and it is)
Their dream of - basically - cake - is forever out of reach.
If they crash the deal and this leads to the UK staying in they can blame it all on May (and the EU and the treacherous elites etc) for betraying brexit whilst they remained loyal believers. They can also fight a faux campaign for "no deal" knowing full well it wont be allowed to happen.

We'll find out on Tues if the ecj rules a.50 can be halted unilaterally

 

[TopCat]

The EU could at least add some salt and pepper to this shit sandwich.

 

[toblerone3]

... your boys took one helluva beating.

Very good I hadn't realised that there eleven names in my list. However to take up the football analogy, it wasn't a "helleva beating" more like a match decided by a dodgy penalty decision where everyone is still waiting for a rematch.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

High Court ruling could declare Brexit ‘void’ as early as Christmas

 

[TopCat]

High Court ruling could declare Brexit ‘void’ as early as Christmas

It would be a courageous high court judge that overturned a statute.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It would be a courageous high court judge that overturned a statute.

Are you kidding? Those bastards, if they see a chance to get their name in the history books, they fucking well take it, the cunts!

 

[Pickman's model]

It would be a courageous high court judge that overturned a statute.

If the vote flawed Parliament might be advised by the judge they might like to reconsider I suppose

 

[TopCat]

Are you kidding? Those bastards, if they see a chance to get their name in the history books, they fucking well take it, the cunts!

Has it happened much recently?

 

[philosophical]

Anna Soubry, Keir Starmer, Nicola Sturgeon, David Lammie, Emily Thornberry, Stella Creasy, Gina Millar, Ken Clarke, Sadiq Khan, Caroline Lucas, Andy Burnham. Who else should be included in the new government of talents to reverse Brexit?

Lord Buckethead.

 

[Ax^]

So - May is going to return from the EU meeting with no further concessions and a unanimous message "negotiations are over" - interesting to see what Gove and the gang do now.
Although the usual suspicion is that they do nothing - i have a feeling that many of the brexiteers actually want brexit to now collapse - the deal is awful and it has exposed reality of what leaving the EU would mean in practice. Raab - and several other leading brexiteers - have stated that the deal is worse than staying in (and it is)
Their dream of - basically - cake - is forever out of reach.

If they had only played portal ahead of brexit

 

[DotCommunist]

lol

they all hate each other. Was going to dump[ this on the bandwith thread but it makes no sense there

 

[spitfire]

Fucking hell is that real?

 

[teqniq]

Beat me to it.

E2a oh my it is:

Tory MPs Go To War Over John Hayes 'Utter Cock' Knighthood

 

[spitfire]

Beat me to it.

E2a oh my it is:

Tory MPs Go To War Over John Hayes 'Utter Cock' Knighthood

Holy shitballs. Hahahahaha

 

[Wookey]

It's brilliantly written, thought it was a spoof though.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Hmmm...

"You can't blame the EU for it really. They are coming up with these short time scales and cliff edges because it gives them a negotiating advantage. There's only so cross you can get with someone for ruthlessly pursuing their interests when your own leaders are too incompetent to do the same. Be angry instead at the Brexiters who demand short transitions in an emotional fit and fail to understand that it is our own leverage they eradicate."

Not sure I get how the manifest and undeniable incompetence of our own negotiators is somehow supposed to let the EU off the hook. "Self-interest" makes for no defence. It's in the "self-interest" of con-men to extract money from their marks, but strangely the courts do not perceive that to be any kind of mitigating factor.

That's sort of true but on the other hand we're basically talking about one group of political representatives of the ruling class being surprised that another group of political representatives of the ruling class are not shy about protecting their interests.

 

[The Fornicator]

Separate beds it is. They only married us for our money in the first place.

 

[brogdale]

It's brilliantly written, thought it was a spoof though.

Really?
Some fairly MSM sources say otherwise.

 

[brogdale]

Wonder if editor has in mind some sort of celebration when, in 59 pages time, this thread exceeds the page length of the actual EU/UK 'agreement' document?

 

[editor]

Wonder if editor has in mind some sort of celebration when, in 59 pages time, this thread exceeds the page length of the actual EU/UK 'agreement' document?

There's nothing to celebrate about the whole Brexit farrago.

 

[Duncan2]

I wonder whether there is a single one on this thread,be she poster or lurker, who would be content to see TM's deal go through parliament whenever parliament finally get around to having the vote?

 

[brogdale]

There's nothing to celebrate about the whole Brexit farrago.

Could be a thread in itself!

"Reasons to celebrate Brexit"
1. Tory party split
2. 'Establishment' revealed
3. Capital worried....

could go on.

 

[hot air baboon]

Kein McGuire's diary

Doom and gloom in a Liberal Democrat digital report found on the parliamentary estate. Zero online donations in the week covered forced the party to suspend Brexit advertising. Something of a blow, that, when remaining in the EU is Vince Cable’s only policy. Not a single voter signed up that week to the Lib Dems’ campaign on Facebook. “We are paused on email capture,” the document also revealed. Curious.

Commons Confidential: The Liberal Democrats’ Brexit blues

 

[danny la rouge]

Could be a thread in itself!

"Reasons to celebrate Brexit"
1. Tory party split
2. 'Establishment' revealed
3. Capital worried....

could go on.

Indeed. All the options have threats and opportunities.

And the left/liberal remain camp have not seriously analysed the threats of remain. Which include not the just the neoliberal treaties they are blind to, as they extol the E.U. as something it isn’t by force of wishful thinking, but also, for the sake of thought experiment, the consequences of holding a second referendum which includes remain as an option. First, are they certain they’d win? How? By repeating the same campaign? Because I’m not seeing any change of strategy. And if they lose again, what then? What happens if that gives the far right new vigour? And if they win by a similar slim majority to the one they recently lost by? Is belonging to the E.U. truly worth the damage that would be done?

 

[danny la rouge]

I wonder whether there is a single one on this thread,be she poster or lurker, who would be content to see TM's deal go through parliament whenever parliament finally get around to having the vote?

It’s a deal for the business establishment. It’s the one, more or less, that would be done by the neoliberal forces in the elite, by means of the likes of Oliver Robbins, if they could possibly manage it whoever was in number 10. And that includes Corbyn.

 

[Winot]

It’s a deal for the business establishment. It’s the one, more or less, that would be done by the neoliberal forces in the elite, by means if the likes of Oliver Robbins, if they could possibly manage it whoever was in number 10. And that includes Corbyn.

Is there a different deal that could have been achieved that you would have favoured?