Pickman's model
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Is Brexit actually going to happen?
- Thread starter Kaka Tim
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Mate, a bit pissed and fucked off due to stuff, so apologies, I just don't like to see JC being blamed in any way for this whole feckin tory clusterfuck,
Nobody can pin this one on Corbyn.
That means the Daily Express will definitely try.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
dunno really.
if TM (or any new PM following either a leader election or general election) can't get some sort of deal through parliament pretty damn quick, then the alternatives are either a hard brexit or asking the EU if we can either have a bit more time to think about it all, or change our minds completely.
and is there any guarantee that the rest of the EU won't say 'piss off' in a variety of languages to either of those options? (isn't it something where the other countries would all have to agree not just a majority?)
bemused
Well-Known Member
They don't have the votes.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I think they should have additionally had a ‘Secretary of State for Exciting the European Union’ whose job it was to go round rubbing off Junkers et al. Maybe that would have been a more successful strategy to win concessions.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Plumdaff
joy in people
Well, yes, but when has that ever stopped a certain stripe of Labour MP? Umunna, Kinnock, Phillips and Cooper are probably queuing up for the opportunity.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
presumably a 2nd ref.
The phrase “moderate Labour MPs” made me think not that, instead a “back the deal” collective.
But there’s so little to go on with that short tweet... I dunno.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
DUP not winning any friends in the Unionist business community. Hopefully they've over reached and one side benefit of this shit show is they've peaked in support.
And fucking LOL at tansplain.
Sorry for twatter links, will screen grab tomorrow if necessary. It's late and I've been at work since 9am. *tiny violins*
And fucking LOL at tansplain.
Sorry for twatter links, will screen grab tomorrow if necessary. It's late and I've been at work since 9am. *tiny violins*
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Poll options need an update, to include: catastrophic no-deal crash-out, serious social unrest and rats for dinner.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
The DUP will hopefully get fucking hammered now that the depths of how bigoted and shit they are have been made fully public.
Though everyone in Norn is aware of that and votes for em anyway so not likely to lose power.
It's to be hoped the various parties have long memories and slowly shaft the bastards once they stop caring about Brexit.
Though everyone in Norn is aware of that and votes for em anyway so not likely to lose power.
It's to be hoped the various parties have long memories and slowly shaft the bastards once they stop caring about Brexit.
This isn't going to happen because - you guessed it - they don't have the numbers.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Hmm - could edit it to "fully independent britain making its own way in the world (bring your own rat)"
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Fuck me David Davies is a delusional tool - just on radio 4 - "we should tear up this deal and re-open negotiations" "but the EU have said that that wont happen- the negotiations are over and they have signed an agreement" "oh flip flap and foodle doodle - thats just bluster" then falling back on "and no deal is nothing to be scared of". Then he accused the EU of deliberately spinning out the process in order to force the UK into accepting gruel - when they have been drumming their fingers on the table waiting for the uk government to sort its shit out and come up with something for the past 2 and a half years.
What world does he live in where the leaders of the EU27 tell the commision that they need to reopen negotiations because the tory party has spat the dummy? How could their response be anything other than - "pffft - they can go fuck themselves"?
Apparently there is a move in cabinet (presumably with gove at the heart of it?) to threaten mass resignation unless may goes back to re-negotiate the deal. Which she cant and wont. What planet are these people on?
Im guessing a planet where the EU would quail before the UKs BMW and prosecco buying leverage and serve up cake.
If this story is true - well May will walk. She cant go back from "im seeing this through - its a good deal" to "Right - Barnier - im still in the 12 day cooling off period - show me the unicorns or the deal is off".
What world does he live in where the leaders of the EU27 tell the commision that they need to reopen negotiations because the tory party has spat the dummy? How could their response be anything other than - "pffft - they can go fuck themselves"?
Apparently there is a move in cabinet (presumably with gove at the heart of it?) to threaten mass resignation unless may goes back to re-negotiate the deal. Which she cant and wont. What planet are these people on?
Im guessing a planet where the EU would quail before the UKs BMW and prosecco buying leverage and serve up cake.
If this story is true - well May will walk. She cant go back from "im seeing this through - its a good deal" to "Right - Barnier - im still in the 12 day cooling off period - show me the unicorns or the deal is off".
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
May’s deal will not go through. No deal will go through. Unlike Pickman's model I feel that a no-deal will get through parliament. Of course the narrative around no deal is ‘crash-out’, ‘cliff-edge’, ‘headbangers’ and so on. Whilst it won’t be a bed of roses, the sky will not fall in. If they declare now that is what will happen then preparations can be made on both sides to make sure ports remain open and Lufthansa can still fly to the US and so on. We were told two years ago that the EU would not offer an advantageous deal, by the EU themselves, so instead of fucking them off and preparing for life outside the EU we have been fannying around trying to get a cake and eat it deal. That is the biggest failure of this whole process.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
You really believe that? I mean Davies is a tool but the EUs political intentions from the start have been to illustrate the "danger" of leaving it, to make sure that any other countries that might be thinking of leaving are scared off.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
well yes - but that's not spinning out the process though- its position has barely changed since day one. the UK government has spun the process out by waiting till the last minute to accept the reality of the EUs position. Davies and co were breezily expecting them to climb down. But they were never ever going to for exactly the reasons you stated.
2hats
Dust.
Bit rich coming from the charlatan who hardly bothered turning up to any of the meetings to perform his job, I thought.
ska invita
back on the other side
you've obviously never heard LBC before. Fuck me theyve got Farage and Katie Hopkins on there, and the rest. Its a cesspit
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