Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Mr Moose]

And so very many of those are liberals.

Very true, but swapping masters at your own cost doesn't help anyone but the masters.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Looks like the options are now walk off a cliff or wait til we're pushed.

 

[Pickman's model]

Looks like the options are now walk off a cliff or wait til we're pushed.

Or push the pushers before they push us

When push comes to shove you know I'm right

 

[Mr Moose]

Looks like the options are now walk off a cliff or wait til we're pushed.

May have been a mistake for Leavers to argue that a Brexit deal would be 'easy'. Had they argued that it would be utterly impossible 18 months of work may have kept the supply routes open. The EU said from the off there was no cherry picking.

Mind you had they honestly said it was impossible there may not have been a leave vote.

 

[Mr Moose]

Or push the pushers before they push us

When push comes to shove you know I'm right

You are, but with one teeny problem, which is it isn't going to happen. I don't see much sign of the people about to throw Rees-Mogg or Duncan Smith off a cliff. More like some softer target such as the neighbours.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Quite right, it should be liberals in our sights

We're soooooo scared.

 

[gosub]

May have been a mistake for Leavers to argue that a Brexit deal would be 'easy'. Had they argued that it would be utterly impossible 18 months of work may have kept the supply routes open. The EU said from the off there was no cherry picking.

Mind you had they honestly said it was impossible there may not have been a leave vote.

Whole thing is mental, we've had years of intergration whilst powers that be saying EU is a trivial issue, then come the referendum remainers saying its so important we'll be in melt down without it. A bunch of people who spent ages getting worked up about it now down playing its significance. Leavers sidelining people with plans coz they don't like them yet unable to come with workable alternatives. Technical experts dismissed for explaining the limits of possibility. Whilst the EU looks on not quite sure whether to take things seriously.


Its a classic Sales lead approach. Bullshit then see what the engineers can approximate. (never pleases anyone). Workout whats possible first then try and sell it is always a better approach, AND I believe could have delivered a leave vote with a better informed population and little of the polarisation -majority of UK would be as uncomfortable with being in a United States of EUrope as they are with nutters at the other end want

 

[Pickman's model]

You are, but with one teeny problem, which is it isn't going to happen. I don't see much sign of the people about to throw Rees-Mogg or Duncan Smith off a cliff. More like some softer target such as the neighbours.

They're behind you, as they say at the panto

 

[Mr Moose]

They're behind you, as they say at the panto

You need to get them behind you. It's a crude sort of strategy this one. You simply don't know where it will lead.

 

[gosub]

You are, but with one teeny problem, which is it isn't going to happen. I don't see much sign of the people about to throw Rees-Mogg or Duncan Smith off a cliff. More like some softer target such as the neighbours.

BBC iPlayer - Politics Live - 20/09/2018 about 20 mins in.

 

[xarmian]

They're stuck. No Chequers. No border anywhere in or with Ireland. No solution for either Irish border. No withdrawal deal.

May can't survive and no other Tory leader can do any better with this parliament.

GE 2018?

 

[mx wcfc]

They're stuck. No Chequers. No border anywhere in or with Ireland. No solution for either Irish border. No withdrawal deal.

May can't survive and no other Tory leader can do any better with this parliament.

GE 2018?

Offering to continue to abide by EU State aid regulation is suicidal. It is pathetic, it is sort "oh please, we are leaving the EU, but please whip us with your crap regulation". I am embaressed to say I agree with the twats like Johnson and Mogg on this. we either leave or we don't.

I am dammed glad it is the tories who are taking us into this. let them do it, fall apart and take the grief.

 

[agricola]

Its a classic Sales lead approach. Bullshit then see what the engineers can approximate. (never pleases anyone). Workout whats possible first then try and sell it is always a better approach, AND I believe could have delivered a leave vote with a better informed population and little of the polarisation -majority of UK would be as uncomfortable with being in a United States of EUrope as they are with nutters at the other end want

... and they'd be right to, at least certainly in the case of the United States of Europe that is currently on offer.

 

[DotCommunist]

They're stuck. No Chequers. No border anywhere in or with Ireland. No solution for either Irish border. No withdrawal deal.

May can't survive and no other Tory leader can do any better with this parliament.

GE 2018?

3 within the space of 5 years would have to be some sort of record.


e2a maybe not: 1950, 51 and 55

 

[gosub]

... and they'd be right to, at least certainly in the case of the United States of Europe that is currently on offer.

But there's supposed to be another reforming treaty on the way....which would have seen us marginalised

 

[Supine]

The UK position is shambolic. The most shameful thing is no leadership from the left on how they'd get us out of this mess.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The UK position is shambolic. The most shameful thing is no leadership from the left on how they'd get us out of this mess.

Why should Corbyn say anything? May will not listen to him, so it can only be turned against him. All thy can do is be there to pick up the pieces of whatever is left when the Tories have finished uniting their party.

 

[DotCommunist]

at this point the supines of the country would vote for a petain if he was pro EU

 

[Supine]

Why should Corbyn say anything? May will not listen to him, so it can only be turned against him. All thy can do is be there to pick up the pieces of whatever is left when the Tories have finished uniting their party.

I disagree. The tories are in such a state labour have a rare opportunity to influence the direction taken. Even if it's only to apply pressure for a second referendum.

Doing nothing because jez is a brexiter and his party is majority remain is a cowards way to handle matters. Waiting for the country to fall apart is a very lame way to deal with this. IMHO obviously.

 

[Supine]

at this point the supines of the country would vote for a petain if he was pro EU

Now now. No need for that.

 

[DotCommunist]

if they'd backed remain they'd now be looking like the rest of europes 'social democrats', scraping by. Pasokified.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Why should Corbyn say anything? May will not listen to him, so it can only be turned against him. All thy can do is be there to pick up the pieces of whatever is left when the Tories have finished uniting their party.

I dunno. Leadership? It's not about may listening to him. Of course she won't. It's about the rest of us. Silence is becoming an increasingly untenable position.

 

[xarmian]

Offering to continue to abide by EU State aid regulation is suicidal. It is pathetic, it is sort "oh please, we are leaving the EU, but please whip us with your crap regulation". I am embaressed to say I agree with the twats like Johnson and Mogg on this. we either leave or we don't.

I am dammed glad it is the tories who are taking us into this. let them do it, fall apart and take the grief.

They're not taking us into it. They don't have a way out. They can't get a withdrawal deal and parliament won't let them have no deal. The government would fall if they tried it.

They have to replace May now or risk another general election with her as leader. None of them want the job with this parliament. None of them want an election.

They are completely stuck with no way out.

 

[DotCommunist]

I dunno. Leadership? It's not about may listening to him. Of course she won't. It's about the rest of us. Silence is becoming an increasingly untenable position.

last I heard the line was not silence but more 'we aren't in power, if we were..well nothing is off the table. Lets have a GE'

what you mean by silence is of course what supine means by lack of leadership. They won't unequivocally back a second reff which is what you both want. Its fine to say 'this party is not doing what I want' but to frame it as silence or a lack of leadership (from the party OUT of power no less) isn't right either imo.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

last I heard the line was not silence but more 'we aren't in power, if we were..well nothing is off the table. Lets have a GE'

what you mean by silence is of course what supine means by lack of leadership. They won't unequivocally back a second reff which is what you both want. Its fine to say 'this party is not doing what I want' but to frame it as silence or a lack of leadership (from the party OUT of power no less) isn't right either imo.

What I mean is what I say dc you can do better than that

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Have you met treelover before? That's one of his better posts.

it was one of my worst ones though, I’m not Scottish enough to handle whisky I’ll stick to rum in future sorry guys

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

And ban the native hipsters. Apparently.

 

[Supine]

To clarify I'm not actually a massive fan of a second referendum. I would have liked labour to fight for a tory government only triggering article 50 when a framework for any new agreement was already decided. Instead jez said it should be triggered the day after the vote

I haven't a scooby doo what the best road is at this point

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

if they'd backed remain they'd now be looking like the rest of europes 'social democrats', scraping by. Pasokified.

Here just to complete a hattrick of shitposting Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves came on in the car during the school run, well I was giving it CIS TERFS etc. See what you done ?

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

I dunno. Leadership? It's not about may listening to him. Of course she won't. It's about the rest of us. Silence is becoming an increasingly untenable position.

Ha, just you wait until conference slightly adjusts the thresholds for reselection. Then you'll see the full power of zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz