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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?

  • Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    Votes: 66 18.2%

  • A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    Votes: 111 30.7%

  • No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    Votes: 185 51.1%
  • Total voters
    362
MickiQ said:
It's currently illegal to import GM modified beef and chicken into the UK because it is a EU rule included in UK law, once we leave the customs union, the UK govt is free to abandon that rule and there is real concern in some quarters that the US would make that a condition of a trade agreement, agriculture is big business in the US and particularly in Trump voting states.
No-one makes a trade agreement out of a desire to do good they do it to make as much money as possible and the US govt is going to respond to the concerns of big business and lobbyists (maybe a little to the voters as well)
The negotiations will have to cover such things as whether or not we are prepared to accept GM foods and giving US Health companies the right to invest in the NHS (another Trump hobby horse) in return for our right to sell
them insurance, banking, jet engines or computer software.
This will make problems for the EU as well since they will then have to decide how they are going to stop us further exporting this stuff onwards to them which makes problems for UK farmers who will have to comply with
these new EU rules if they want to sell to Europe which brings us back to that much flogged horse the Irish border.
These are the sort of things that will end up causing real problems (for everyone) not scaremongering like gun towers on the Irish border or food shortages.
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What about the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership EU-US trade deal?

NHS could be 'carved open' by US healthcare profiteers warns Labour
 
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What about the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership EU-US trade deal?

NHS could be 'carved open' by US healthcare profiteers warns Labour
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Trump has already canned this I believe but these are the sort of things that might very well come up again in bilateral UK-US talks, the US is going to negotiate on will make the most money for US companies not what is best for UK citizens. My big concern is that the UK govt probably won't negotiate on the basis of what is good for UK citizens either.
 
MickiQ said:
Trump has already canned this I believe but these are the sort of things that might very well come up again in bilateral UK-US talks, the US is going to negotiate on will make the most money for US companies not what is best for UK citizens. My big concern is that the UK govt probably won't negotiate on the basis of what is good for UK citizens either.
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assuming such a deal was attempted to be negotiated in the current parliament i'm not convinced much would get through - trade with the US under current rules doesn't appear to be particularly difficult, and I just don't see the kind of marginal wins that a trade deal with the US would bring are worth the aggro that would accompany them. i'm not convinced that the current government would see the game as being worth the candle - I think they'd kick it into the long grass and concentrate on dealing with the EU.
 
kebabking said:
assuming such a deal was attempted to be negotiated in the current parliament i'm not convinced much would get through - trade with the US under current rules doesn't appear to be particularly difficult, and I just don't see the kind of marginal wins that a trade deal with the US would bring are worth the aggro that would accompany them. i'm not convinced that the current government would see the game as being worth the candle - I think they'd kick it into the long grass and concentrate on dealing with the EU.
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Absolutely but trade under the current rules only applies up to the end of March if No Deal or Dec 2020 if we go into the transition period, a deal needs sealing by whichever date is the relevant one or it's back to WTO rules for dealing with them as well as the EU and that applies to every country with which we trade under EU agreements.
I would hope that sense will prevail and that all the countries we deal with (or at least the important ones) will carry on as before while deals are thrashed out but we're dealing with politicians here whose agenda's here is going to be what is best for my country (and what is best for me personally in the case of one particular loon) so who knows what will happen next?
 
What's wrong with GM food again? I mean stuff that's actually wrong, not scaremongering based on scientific illiteracy.

Also not clear on why chlorinated chicken is bad either. It sure *sounds* scary, but then again there's plenty of nasty-sounding stuff used in food preparation in this country already.
 
It's interesting that before Brexit there were debates on here about whether immigration reduced wages and living standards for the poor. Now, post-Brexit it seems the argument is focused on whether total economic meltdown occurs rather than the real impacts on prices and growth that probably impact those people. Safer ground..
 
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Hollis said:
It's interesting that before Brexit there were debates on here about whether immigration reduced wages and living standards for the poor. Now, post-Brexit it seems the argument is focused on whether total economic meltdown occurs rather than the real impacts on prices and growth that probably impact those people. Safer ground..
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Who is suggesting 'total economic meltdown' - no one but you and the whole of the mass media/middle class/ruling class. I wonder why that whiff is in the air eh hollis?

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Certainly not because of people like a "middle class scot with a professional job living in London in the country's most 'remain' borough." and the social weight they carry managing to in some totally unexplainable way, to have their opinions and interest presented day after day by middle class people with professional jobs living in London in the country's most 'remain' boroughs as that of the country.
 
kebabking said:
you are suggesting that European suppliers with large contracts with Tesco's or whatever have decided not to plant anything this autumn, and to not inseminate their livestock so there's nothing to sent to the abattoir next year?

please tell me you think they'll sell it to China instead of the UK?
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Um no...I expect they'll sell it to wherever they can have the biggest profit/lowest costs.

But my repeated point still stands...6 months to go...not one trade deal. Food, medicine, fuel, airline tickets...all over the world not one contract openly agreed. So they haven't done it or they don't want to tell us about it. I'll bet the fuckin arms deals are getting sorted.
 
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DexterTCN said:
Um no...I expect they'll sell it to wherever they can have the biggest profit/lowest costs.

But my repeated point still stands...6 months to go...not one trade deal. Food, medicine, fuel, airline tickets...all over the world not one contract openly agreed. So they haven't done it or they don't want to tell us about it. I'll bet the fuckin arms deals are getting sorted.
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ALL GOING DIE
 
DexterTCN said:
Um no...I expect they'll sell it to wherever they can have the biggest profit/lowest costs.

But my repeated point still stands...6 months to go...not one trade deal. Food, medicine, fuel, airline tickets...all over the world not one contract openly agreed. So they haven't done it or they don't want to tell us about it. I'll bet the fuckin arms deals are getting sorted.
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The lack of reality about how the world works, what drives it, and what states/institutions/etc need to do to make it happen is mad.

You can't scare people with this ignorance anymore. Capitalism - neo-liberalism - is stronger than you. You will get whatever you live in your petainst cave.
 
Hollis said:
Well compared to the endless drivel you spout? Do you still keep a blog about your posts on here? About how you "take people out". Heroic stuff
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I never did. What an odd thing to say. I reckon you got done by the various fake accounts all sorts of social media that a group of people set up to trick people like you.
I've never had a blog.
 
DexterTCN said:
Um no...I expect they'll sell it to wherever they can have the biggest profit/lowest costs.

But my repeated point still stands...6 months to go...not one trade deal. Food, medicine, fuel, airline tickets...all over the world not one contract openly agreed. So they haven't done it or they don't want to tell us about it. I'll bet the fuckin arms deals are getting sorted.
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Either you are aware that the UK can’t enact any trade deal whilst a member of the EU and as such your post is hysterical scaremongering or you don’t know that.
 
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