Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I spent *years* doing that.

Bo Derek has yet to appear....

Bo Derek

 

[Yogibear]

I spent *years* doing that.

Bo Derek has yet to appear....

Maybe you didn't recognise her...

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

I spent *years* doing that.

Bo Derek has yet to appear....

Yer dating yourself there, fella

 

[a_chap]

Bo Derek

Yer dating yourself there, fella

Oi!

Bo Derek was - and I am sure still is - utterly gorgeous. So please leave us old folk to our happy senile memories.

 

[J Ed]

Here's a jolly explanation of what will happen regarding the import and export of food from 30th March of next year if there is "no deal."

This is what no-deal Brexit actually looks like



So stick your fingers in your ears and sing La La La and keep on believing the magical Brexit Unicorn will ride in to make it all better, but it's going to be shit with no deal, pure unmitigated shit, and it will be all of the UK's making.

Not content with making the Trump thread shit, you've decided to ruin the rest of the forum. A real pity.

 

[MickiQ]

Oi!

Bo Derek was - and I am sure still is - utterly gorgeous. So please leave us old folk to our happy senile memories.

If it's any consolation, she didn't show up at my house either

 

[agricola]

It seems that Greenpeace have managed to get the IEA on tape, boasting of their access to ministers as reasons why US businessmen should give them money.

 

[SpackleFrog]

No, it doesn't work like that. The PM chose to invoke Article 50, to begin the process of leaving the EU. Other EU nations had no part in that whatsoever. So, the onus is on the UK Government to find a solution. Other EU nations have no obligation to make allowances for the incompetence of UK politicians.

That's a fascinating conception of responsibility you have there. A bit like witnessing somebody get stabbed, and then loudly saying "The onus is not on ME to call an ambulance, the responsibility for this lies with the assailant, they are the reason an innocent person is bleeding out, they must call for medical help!"

I'm also still baffled why the Labour leadership at least (if not Labour voters) are standing by May, and "Brexit means Brexit." If they came out tomorrow and said, "Y'know, this has all been a mistake. We were all mislead. We want to call it all off. Who's with us?" there would be a stampede to back them. But no.

Totally. Utterly. Delusional. A stampede? Amazing stuff. Did the GE last year just not happen in your mind?

For the record, the only effect on insulin supply is it might become more expensive.

 

[CRI]

Oi!

Bo Derek was - and I am sure still is - utterly gorgeous. So please leave us old folk to our happy senile memories.

Still hawt!

 

[DexterTCN]

...For the record, the only effect on insulin supply is it might become more expensive.

What record is that? Got a link ta?

 

[CRI]

That's a fascinating conception of responsibility you have there. A bit like witnessing somebody get stabbed, and then loudly saying "The onus is not on ME to call an ambulance, the responsibility for this lies with the assailant, they are the reason an innocent person is bleeding out, they must call for medical help!"



Totally. Utterly. Delusional. A stampede? Amazing stuff. Did the GE last year just not happen in your mind?

For the record, the only effect on insulin supply is it might become more expensive.

- That only works if the UK is just a bystander and it's not, it's the one wielding the knife here, so . . .

- It was Hobsons choice at the GE, in England at least, as both of the two main parties supported Brexit. So, no.

- So you think it's fine that people with diabetes who require insulin should have to pay more for their prescriptions? Same with other medicines we import as well? How much more? What if they can't afford it? How about in Scotland - prescriptions are free here. I don't want that to change because the UK Government couldn't get its arse in gear.

 

[redsquirrel]

- It was Hobsons choice at the GE, in England at least, as both of the two main parties supported Brexit. So, no.

And between them took 82+% of the vote on a 68.8% turnout - a total of 56.5% of the electorate, the highest combined share of the electorate since 1992 - so rather undermining your claim that

I'm also still baffled why the Labour leadership at least (if not Labour voters) are standing by May, and "Brexit means Brexit." If they came out tomorrow and said, "Y'know, this has all been a mistake. We were all mislead. We want to call it all off. Who's with us?" there would be a stampede to back them. But no.

 

[Gerry1time]

It seems that Greenpeace have managed to get the IEA on tape, boasting of their access to ministers as reasons why US businessmen should give them money.

Amusingly, Mark Littlewood used to be head of press for the Lib Dems, at the time the right were trying to take over the party.

 

[Supine]

If your interested in insulin...

Fact checking Sir Michael Rawlins statements in relation to Insulin and #Brexit. Should we be worried?

 

[DexterTCN]

If your interested in insulin...

Fact checking Sir Michael Rawlins statements in relation to Insulin and #Brexit. Should we be worried?

People using animal medicines?

Well...there is a hint of Animal Farm about the thread I suppose.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

People using animal medicines?

Well...there is a hint of Animal Farm about the thread I suppose.

It's a slightly silly thing to say in that fact check given that nearly all diabetics switched from pig insulin decades ago. Iirc there were a few deaths during the switch - remember my bro and sis both saying it was harder to sense a hypo coming on with the new stuff. Would certainly be a few more deaths with a switch back. That won't be allowed to happen so it's a bit silly even touting it as a possibility. It's just another thing to add to the thousands on the list of 'details the fuckwits didn't even think about'.

 

[fishfinger]

...So you think it's fine that people with diabetes who require insulin should have to pay more for their prescriptions?...

If you are a diabetic on meds, then all your prescriptions are free in England.

 

[hot air baboon]

The PM chose to invoke Article 50, to begin the process of leaving the EU. Other EU nations had no part in that whatsoever. So, the onus is on the UK Government to find a solution. Other EU nations have no obligation to make allowances for the incompetence of UK politicians.

Article 8
1. The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

2. For the purposes of paragraph 1, the Union may conclude specific agreements with the countries concerned. These agreements may contain reciprocal rights and obligations as well as the possibility of undertaking activities jointly. Their implementation shall be the subject of periodic consultation.

Consolidated version of the Treaty on European Union/Title I: Common Provisions - Wikisource, the free online library


Barnier has failed to fulfill this article to date - in particular the frankly absurd contention that the only possible trade deals must be the Norway or Canada options. There was no such thing as a "Norway" option before Norway reached its deal & likewise with Canada.

 

[Weller]

NHS to stockpile drugs for no deal Brexit

From the chair of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA):

'Patients could be seriously disadvantaged by Brexit, if we don’t get our act together'

The EU is not our main food supplier because of some metropolitan conspiracy by people who like brie. It's our main food supplier because it is close to us

 

[agricola]

Barnier has failed to fulfill this article to date - in particular the frankly absurd contention that the only possible trade deals must be the Norway or Canada options. There was no such thing as a "Norway" option before Norway reached its deal & likewise with Canada.

I am no fan of Barnier or the EU negotiators, but that is a bit of a wilful misrepresentation of what their position is.

For a start, we are not a "neighbouring country", at least not until we leave. Secondly nowhere does Article 8 say what type of deals should or should not be offered; if the EU want to offer Norway or Canada options (both of which would satisfy the vague aims of Article 8), or indeed an option where Boris has to go to Brussels and apologise to them every April 1st, to the exclusion of all other options then they are perfectly within their rights to do so.

 

[Raheem]

Barnier has failed to fulfill this article to date - in particular the frankly absurd contention that the only possible trade deals must be the Norway or Canada options.

Yes, given the wording of Article 8, it's very hard to understand why the Morocco option seems to have hardly been discussed at all.

 

[CRI]

If you are a diabetic on meds, then all your prescriptions are free in England.

Maybe they won't be after 30th March next year. Money's got to come from somewhere.

 

[CRI]

Army on standby for no-deal Brexit emergency

Blueprints for the armed forces to assist the civilian authorities, usually used only in civil emergencies, have been dusted down as part of the “no deal” planning.

Helicopters and army trucks would be used to ferry supplies to vulnerable people outside the southeast who were struggling to obtain the medicines they needed.

The NHS would go on a year-round “winter crisis footing”, with drugs bought from outside the EU and stockpiled in hospitals.

An investigation of no-deal planning found that Steve Baker, the minister then in charge of the issue, threatened to resign in March because Downing Street was refusing to publicise the preparations being made.

A minister said the military would be called in if blockages at ports led to shortages of food, fuel and medicines, warning: “There is a lot of civil contingency planning around the prospect of no deal. That’s not frightening the horses, that’s just being utterly realistic.”

Plans to publish reports throughout the summer on no-deal planning have been ditched because of fears they would alarm the public. They will be released on the same day in late August.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It’s like the people who ran the Better Together Campaign have teamed up to give us Scottish Urbs for Remain

 

[redsquirrel]

Amusingly, Mark Littlewood used to be head of press for the Lib Dems, at the time the right were trying to take over the party.

Trying?

 

[fishfinger]

Maybe they won't be after 30th March next year. Money's got to come from somewhere.

I'll be sure to let you know if they stop my meds

 

[Gerry1time]

Trying?

Only Nick Clegg and Chris Huhne really stayed, people like Mark Littlewood walked out, as did a number of the other genuinely Conservative types. As far to the right as Clegg and Huhne took them, there were others who would have taken it far, far further.

 

[hot air baboon]

if the EU want to offer Norway or Canada options (both of which would satisfy the vague aims of Article 8), or indeed an option where Boris has to go to Brussels and apologise to them every April 1st, to the exclusion of all other options then they are perfectly within their rights to do so.

the EU's aim is to ensure that Britain cannot "win" the negotiation - not to conclude a trade deal. When Donald Trump takes this position we are invited by the likes of the Guardian & the FT to boo & hiss the pantomime villain trying to undermine the global order. Its noticeable that even such grovellingly pro-EU mouthpieces such as them are starting to buckle under the strain of trying to cheerlead for their side e.g the above Garton-Ash piece or

Europe should offer Theresa May’s Brexit plan a helping hand
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[redsquirrel]

Only Nick Clegg and Chris Huhne really stayed, people like Mark Littlewood walked out, as did a number of the other genuinely Conservative types. As far to the right as Clegg and Huhne took them, there were others who would have taken it far, far further.

Not a single MP left over their parties formation of a coalition with the Tories. In fact they were ready and willing to go into coalition again. The orange bookers won

 

[MickiQ]

the EU's aim is to ensure that Britain cannot "win" the negotiation

There is a fair amount of truth in this but the UK's aim is to screw over the EU, the idea of negotiations is for both sides to settle on something neither wants but will at least accept, the biggest problem for the UK is our negotiators are totally useless whilst the EU ones seem to be at least moderately competent.