Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[paolo]

Tories - check, Leave - check, Remain - check, Labour - check.

capital, labour, the working class - cue tumbleweeds and whistling of wind.

I don’t know the point you’re making.

I might agree with it, but I need to know what it is.

 

[redsquirrel]

I don’t know the point you’re making.

I might agree with it, but I need to know what it is.

That you, and many others on this thread/board despite calling themselves socialists, are only capable of seeing politics in terms of the Tories, Leave, Remain etc. You blank over the most important actors.

 

[paolo]

That you, and many others on this thread/board despite calling themselves socialists, are only capable of seeing politics in terms of the Tories, Leave, Remain etc. You blank over the most important actors.

I’m barely on this thread.

Who are your most important actors?

 

[SpackleFrog]

This is a thread about Brexit.

I’m not not trying to be amusing, just give context.

And what is this Brexit that you say is happening?

Clearly you think a Tory led Brexit is taking place. Presumably you can tell us a little about what that entails.

 

[gentlegreen]

capital, labour, the working class - cue tumbleweeds and whistling of wind.

 

[NoXion]

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Is that what socialist politics is for you? Some sort of joke or caricature?

 

[gentlegreen]

Is that what socialist politics is for you? Some sort of joke or caricature?

It was mr. squirrel who was patronising us with Marxism 101.

 

[redsquirrel]

Is that what socialist politics is for you? Some sort of joke or caricature?

TBF to fair the GG he's never pretended to be anything other than a grade A liberal mug so that's entirely how he does see socialism.

What's more mad is those that call themselves socialists that are coming out with the same stuff.

 

[paolo]

What's more mad if those that call themselves socialists that are coming out with the same stuff.

Who are “those” ?

 

[redsquirrel]

Who are “those” ?

LBJ certainly used to call himself a socialist. Ska has done at some points too, and has certainly claimed to be influenced by socialist thinking.

 

[CRI]

NHS to stockpile drugs for no deal Brexit

From the chair of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA):

'Patients could be seriously disadvantaged by Brexit, if we don’t get our act together'

Here’s just one example why: we make no insulin in the UK. We import every drop of it. You can’t transport insulin around ordinarily because it must be temperature-controlled. And there are 3.5 million people [with diabetes, some of whom] rely on insulin, not least the prime minister. So it’s in our interests to make sure that this sort of thing doesn’t happen.

One of the things that [then health and social care secretary] Jeremy Hunt and [business secretary] Greg Clark said last summer was that patients should not be disadvantaged by us leaving the EU. And disruption to the supply chain is one of the ways that patients could be seriously disadvantaged. It could be a reality if we don’t get our act together. We can’t suddenly start manufacturing insulin — it’s got to be sorted, no question.

I'm sure everything will be fine. No one here has Type 1 Diabetes, or uses inhalers for asthma, or anything like that, right?

 

[kebabking]

NHS to stockpile drugs for no deal Brexit

From the chair of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA):

'Patients could be seriously disadvantaged by Brexit, if we don’t get our act together'



I'm sure everything will be fine. No one here has Type 1 Diabetes, or uses inhalers for asthma, or anything like that, right?

You perhaps ought to ask why an EU member states would refuse to sell a non-member state insulin?

I can well imagine that there could be issues with mutual recognition of certification in the longer term without some agreement, but on day one of Brexit? No, the only reason there would be shortages of things that have been happily traded for years on end in a single regulatory regime is if the EU wants there to be shortages of crucial medicines.

That sounds like an ace club of jolly decent chaps - where do I sign up?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Who are “those” ?

Oi. You haven't answered my question sunshine. C'mon.

 

[CRI]

You perhaps ought to ask why an EU member states would refuse to sell a non-member state insulin?

I can well imagine that there could be issues with mutual recognition of certification in the longer term without some agreement, but on day one of Brexit? No, the only reason there would be shortages of things that have been happily traded for years on end in a single regulatory regime is if the EU wants there to be shortages of crucial medicines.

That sounds like an ace club of jolly decent chaps - where do I sign up?

No, it doesn't work like that. The PM chose to invoke Article 50, to begin the process of leaving the EU. Other EU nations had no part in that whatsoever. So, the onus is on the UK Government to find a solution. Other EU nations have no obligation to make allowances for the incompetence of UK politicians.

I am sure countries in the EU, and elsewhere in the world, would be happy to sell insulin and other medicines to the UK, once appropriate trade agreements are in place, including measures to ensure clinical safety.

Are you genuinely suggesting it's fine for insulin and other medicines to be bought and sold without any regulations in place?

Perhaps the politicians who insist "Brexit means Brexit" should have got a finger out and started working on a solution over a year ago instead of just whining and stomping their feet like spoilt children. It's not like everyone didn't see this coming from the start.

 

[CRI]

You perhaps ought to ask why an EU member states would refuse to sell a non-member state insulin?

I can well imagine that there could be issues with mutual recognition of certification in the longer term without some agreement, but on day one of Brexit? No, the only reason there would be shortages of things that have been happily traded for years on end in a single regulatory regime is if the EU wants there to be shortages of crucial medicines.

That sounds like an ace club of jolly decent chaps - where do I sign up?

Oh, and just noticed your post sounds remarkably similar to this one from Tory politician Bernard Jenkin.

Funny that.

 

[Balbi]

Do you have any idea about Garton Ash's politics? He's utterly committed to the EU and liberalism, the suggestion that he's a "brexiteer" is ludicrous.

I didn't say he was a Brexiteer

 

[JimW]

Oh, and just noticed your post sounds remarkably similar to this one from Tory politician Bernard Jenkin.

Funny that.

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Maybe because it's an obvious point to anyone not hoping it all goes to shit for partisan reasons.

 

[Poi E]

Odd that the UK makes no insulin whatsoever. World's largest exported of medical marijuana but no insulin. WTF?

 

[Toast Rider]

Oh, and just noticed your post sounds remarkably similar to this one from Tory politician Bernard Jenkin.

Funny that.

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This would be the same Tory government who withhold income from the sick and the unemployed... Dark irony indeed

 

[Wolveryeti]

Could someone please summarise Hoey's and Field's motivations for supporting Brexit ?

The Wirral, within which Field's constituency (Birkenhead) lies voted leave. So I guess that's one reason. Vauxhall (Hoey's) constituency voted Remain solidly. I have so far only been able to find bog-standard excuses from her to explain why she didn't respect their views: respecting the Referendum vote (thought the question was leave yes/no, not how), and the Labour manifesto (though that explicitly talks about trying to retain the benefits of the Custom Union and Single Market).

She is cosy with Arron Banks though - so maybe that explains it: TheyWorkForYou

 

[CRI]

Odd that the UK makes no insulin whatsoever. World's largest exported of medical marijuana but no insulin. WTF?

Well, I suppose there hasn't been any reason for each nation in the EU to produce their own supplies of everything they could possibly require since the idea is you can make X over here and Y over there and then move them to wherever they are needed. The Government should have prepared for what would happen when that was no longer possible, long before considering a referendum, but no, they pouted, twiddled their thumbs, pouted some more and did fuck all. And here we are now.

 

[CRI]

Maybe because it's an obvious point to anyone not hoping it all goes to shit for partisan reasons.

No mate, it's trying to blame someone else for shit that you have caused. It's like that guy who gets drunk and acts like a complete asshole at a party then gets pissy the next morning when no one will talk to him or help him clean up the mess he caused.

 

[CRI]

This would be the same Tory government who withhold income from the sick and the unemployed... Dark irony indeed

Honestly, it baffles me why some people who claim to be ardent Labour supporters have so much faith in the Tories to do the right thing. Like when have the Tories EVER done the right fucking thing?

 

[sealion]

Honestly, it baffles me why some people who claim to be ardent Labour supporters have so much faith in the Tories to do the right thing. Like when have the Tories EVER done the right fucking thing?

What is labours stance this week on Bexit ? Do you think Corbyn and co could get a deal out of a mob that will fuck over anyone that wants out?

 

[billbond]

Honestly, it baffles me why some people who claim to be ardent Labour supporters have so much faith in the Tories to do the right thing. Like when have the Tories EVER done the right fucking thing?

Many more say the same thing thing about Labour, hence why they(torys) are in power.

 

[agricola]

What is labours stance this week on Bexit ? Do you think Corbyn and co could get a deal out of a mob that will fuck over anyone that wants out?

They'd get a better deal than this current shower would. In fact if you had the choice of sending Labour or the May Government down the shops to get a pint of milk, would anyone be that surprised if the Cabinet returned with a set of udders ripped from a cow and then charged you ten grand to borrow them?

 

[billbond]

They'd get a better deal than this current shower would. In fact if you had the choice of sending Labour or the May Government down the shops to get a pint of milk, would anyone be that surprised if the Cabinet returned with a set of udders ripped from a cow and then charged you ten grand to borrow them?

Looking at some of them and how they act, i very much doubt that tbh.

 

[sealion]

They'd get a better deal than this current shower would.

They seem as split on leaving as the tories do, and like i said, the eu will make it hard for whoever is negotiating.

 

[CRI]

They seem as split on leaving as the tories do, and like i said, the eu will make it hard for whoever is negotiating.

Well yes, there's no reason for other EU nations to "go easy" on the UK. I haven't seen anything from the EU negotiating side that's been terribly unreasonable, if you look at it from the perspective of the EU and EU nations, which of course they do. May's Government has been one shower of shit after another in their efforts to "negotiate," so it is on their heads. I'm also still baffled why the Labour leadership at least (if not Labour voters) are standing by May, and "Brexit means Brexit." If they came out tomorrow and said, "Y'know, this has all been a mistake. We were all mislead. We want to call it all off. Who's with us?" there would be a stampede to back them. But no.

 

[agricola]

They seem as split on leaving as the tories do, and like i said, the eu will make it hard for whoever is negotiating.

They will - but the EU would find it a lot more difficult to make it difficult for a Labour negotiaing team. For a start, the most plausible, reasonable and least damaging outcome isn't something that a Labour Government would have ruled out before the negotiations started.