Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[DexterTCN]

utterly delusional. Haven't they noticed that no a single member of the EU27 has tried to put any pressure on Barnier to soften the EU's stance?

Well they'll soon be wondering where their Japanese cars will come from when we leave!

 

[Kaka Tim]

Well they'll soon be wondering where their Japanese cars will come from when we leave!

they'll probably cope

 

[MightyTibberton]

There are loads of perfectly good reasons to want Brexit.

But the Brexit that voters might quite reasonably think that they have been promised is that one: free trade, but no deeper relationship. And they've been promised that it will make everyone better off because things'll be cheaper, and there'll be loads of money to spend on public services, and there'll be less competition for work/school places/hospital beds/housing because there'll be less immigration, and we'll be cruising to prosperity on smashing new trade deals.

And they're not going to get that Brexit. And no-one in the Tory party or the Leave campaign has got the guts to do anything more than try to blame it on a stab in the back or EU unreasonableness.

 

[CRI]

 

[billbond]

The dirty money went to brexit though, yeah? The untraced stuff...'dark money'.

No fake news
Remain that would be
"Dark money" and soros untraced go together
still got my flyer from Cameron

 

[agricola]

No fake news
Remain that would be
"Dark money" and soros untraced go together
still got my flyer from Cameron

I think the fact that you know their names would tend to mean that "dark money" is not involved.

 

[billbond]

I think the fact that you know their names would tend to mean that "dark money" is not involved.

oh i think it is
sleep well

 

[MightyTibberton]

"Fake news" and "Soros" in one post. Well done.

 

[MightyTibberton]

https://www.parliament.uk/documents...upplied-by-Facebook-to-the-DCMS-Committee.pdf

That's all that Facebook stuff if you like that sort of thing!

Lots of allegations now being thrown about - adverts without proper imprints on, adverts from non-approved campaign bodies, adverts during the pause in campaigning after Jo Cox's murder. . .

 

[Ranbay]

Thing is, and i have asked a few people....

they don't give a fuck, they want Brexit at any cost!

 

[MightyTibberton]

No doubt there are loads of committed Brexiters and UKIPpers.

No doubt there are loads of floating voters too. That's why I think some of these ads are so vague: "support the steel industry", "support animal rights", "support education", "vote to be free!"...

They didn't vote for No Deal and all that entails.

I reckon that's the big battle now in the Tory party. The committed libertarian loons (Exclusive: Liam Fox warns Theresa May that extending Brexit talks would be a 'complete betrayal') desperately trying to get over the line so they can do their tax haven, no regulation, free trade bollocks, against the May faction who want to keep the party together but recognise that No Deal will be an economic disaster, at least immediately.

Hence these rather apocalyptic warnings on food stockpiling and the like to voters who were told: more jobs, more money, more services, fewer people... just tick the Leave box.

 

[Balbi]

They're utterly fucking mad, all of this is utter fucking lunacy.

May's spent weeks fighting her own party, lost her Brexit Secretary and Foreign Secretary, over an agreement she managed to strike with her own party which was instantly dismissed by the E.U. And this is like the fifth time it's happened, where the Tories spend more time shifting their negotiating strategy and finally agreeing on something - but forgetting the E.U isn't interested in the division within the party, they're trying to negotiate the fucking thing the fucking referendum was about.

In the two years since the referendum, they've achieved almost precisely fuck all on the important issues of trade, borders etc and are still clinging desperately, like nuggets of shite to arse hair, to the hope that the UK public will blame the European Union for, er, patiently waiting for us to sort our shit out and engage in negotiations.

And here it comes: A humiliating Brexit deal risks a descent into Weimar Britain | Timothy Garton Ash

Grasping attempt at comparing Versailles to the Brexit negotiations here folks.

 

[DotCommunist]

they've all, specially at the guardian been using the 'seen as a stab in the back' line, knowingly and for ages.

 

[MightyTibberton]

It's odd that he should allow that to go out with the headline about Weimar - in fact it sounds like he wrote it - and then early in the article say, "of course, I'm completely exagerrating when I say it's analogous..."!?!?!?!?!?!

There is plenty of genuine betrayal stuff going round:

Theresa May presiding over ‘cloak and dagger’ plot by ‘establishment elite’ to sink Brexit, ex-minister claims.. as PM demands rebels’ backing


They have to. They can't deliver what they promised and someone has to be to blame, even if it's only for the sake of Farage's future career on Fox News. . .

 

[mod]

I reckon we are going to have a second referendum with 60% or more voting to remain. And all this will go down as one of the most costly and embarrassing periods in our history.

The far right and extreme Brexiteers wont take it well and i suspect we are going to have years or civil unrest instigated by them. Terrorism and agitation.

 

[Raheem]

Duplicate post

 

[Raheem]

The far right and extreme Brexiteers wont take it well and i suspect we are going to have years or civil unrest instigated by them. Terrorism and agitation.

Might depend on what's covered by civil unrest, but I think a lot of them are quite keen on their armchairs.

 

[MightyTibberton]

I think a general election as a sort of proxy referendum on a deal that can't get through Parliament is more likely. I can't see an actual second referendum happening.

I can see loads of other scenarios too!

 

[not-bono-ever]

Weimar comparisons are hyperbolic wank . There is no Luxemburg or liebknecht waiting on the sidelines in this farce - amidst the handwringing and oh Noeing from the commentators , this is still a game being played by those who already hold the reins of control

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[MightyTibberton]

As argued in this economist's blog. . .

mainly macro: Brexit Endgame: second stage (which is unlikely to end with no deal)

 

[SpookyFrank]

they don't give a fuck, they want Brexit at any cost!

I bet they don't really. What they want is brexit at no cost.

 

[Dogsauce]

If slightly over half the country voted out, and slightly under voted in, then you’d have thought some kind of soft brexit half-in, half-out compromise would actually be the most representative outcome. How come it seems to please pretty much nobody?

 

[not-bono-ever]

if we were following the Weimar model, then the next step would be to kill off all livestock to stop them eating our precious stockpiles of hoarded foodstuffs

 

[MightyTibberton]

Do we get a Berlin Cabaret phase of decadence too?

Asking for a friend.

 

[billbond]

... beeee[/QUOTE]

And here it comes: A humiliating Brexit deal risks a descent into Weimar Britain | Timothy Garton Ash

Grasping attempt at comparing Versailles to the Brexit negotiations here folks.

"The Guardian" ha ha
Must be true then
shit rag full of lies and made up shit

 

[MightyTibberton]

Soros funds it too.

 

[teqniq]

"The Guardian" ha ha
Must be true then
shit rag full of lies and made up shit

How's the weight loss going?

 

[billbond]

Soros funds it too.

Would not surprise me in the least
or maybe the Russians or Trump

 

[billbond]

How's the weight loss going?

With this weather not going bad actually
Thanks for asking
(warning for anybody do not do the Atkins one)

 

[andysays]

Do we get a Berlin Cabaret phase of decadence too?

Asking for a friend.

With Theresa May playing Sally Bowles...