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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?

  • Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    Votes: 66 18.2%

  • A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    Votes: 111 30.7%

  • No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    Votes: 185 51.1%
  • Total voters
    362
More weird political things today:

Raab saying that there'll be no payment without a trade deal. I thought we'd agreed the payment in any case and signed up to an agreement with that in.

The May taking over the negotiations directly. Weird intra-Tory stuff - a snub to Rees Mogg camp? I dunno. . .

Legislation that includes (I don't fully understand the mechanisms of this) automatically (?) putting back into law all that EU law... seeming to confirm the existence of a transition phase.
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I'm a bit mystified by it all now. Still hoping for free access to European cheeses of all sorts for all people at all times.
 
MightyTibberton said:
More weird political things today:

Raab saying that there'll be no payment without a trade deal. I thought we'd agreed the payment in any case and signed up to an agreement with that in.

The May taking over the negotiations directly. Weird intra-Tory stuff - a snub to Rees Mogg camp? I dunno. . .

Legislation that includes (I don't fully understand the mechanisms of this) automatically (?) putting back into law all that EU law... seeming to confirm the existence of a transition phase.
Subscribe to read | Financial Times

I'm a bit mystified by it all now. Still hoping for free access to European cheeses of all sorts for all people at all times.
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That last bit about legislation always seemed the obvious and simple solution to all the moaning about the need to draft so many new laws; clearly could just start from where we are and then legislate anew as and when.
 
SpackleFrog said:
If you go back and read my post, instead of being a tool, you'll see I was talking about a scenario in which customs and immigration staff receive no instructions to do their jobs differently.
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I don't think there's any point to me giving this a proper reply.
 
"According to the Council Regulation (EU) No 692/2014 (OJ L183, p. 9) it shall be prohibited to import into European Union goods originating in Crimea or Sevastopol."

Do they make much cheese in Crimea I wonder?
 
MightyTibberton said:
I've found a link to that that works:

Theresa May announces she will keep UK under EU laws for another 21 months, risking Brexiteer fury

Which... I dunno... is it a backstop thing... May trying to be responsble and making a literal cliff-edge of a one day switch from EU law applying to no EU law applying. . .
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That has been the plan from day one - make all EU law UK domestic law, then amend at leisure. The difference between now and then being that it'll be UK law, implemented by the UK, not EU law implemented by the EU.

Everyone knew there would never be enough to time to go through the whole pantheon of EU law to decide which bits we kept before we left, so this was the only option.
 
kebabking said:
That has been the plan from day one - make all EU law UK domestic law, then amend at leisure. The difference between now and then being that it'll be UK law, implemented by the UK, not EU law implemented by the EU.
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That was the plan, but it seems like the plan is changing to not repealing the 1972 act, so that we remain subject to EU law implemented by the EU and, presumably, not at complete liberty to amend it as and when.
 
Raheem said:
That was the plan, but it seems like the plan is changing to not repealing the 1972 act, so that we remain subject to EU law implemented by the EU and, presumably, not at complete liberty to amend it as and when.
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That's us the plan for a transition period. The EU couldn't accept the same conditions while allowing the UK to change its rules. It just gives more time to sort this shit out.
 
And that's the change, I think.

No transition period is agreed yet. But Theresa May is legislating as if one has been - she is creating one without it being (quite) agreed in negotiation (the Irish backstop, the "divorce payment", the next steps...)

No Deal Brexit - as actually beloved of Rees Mogg's gang requires an actual crashing out: No Deal, no nothing, fuck you, "intransigent EU," the "Remoaner stab in the back...". And this has legislated that out of existence (has it been passed by everyone who needs to pass it...?)
 
MightyTibberton said:
"According to the Council Regulation (EU) No 692/2014 (OJ L183, p. 9) it shall be prohibited to import into European Union goods originating in Crimea or Sevastopol."

Do they make much cheese in Crimea I wonder?
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Oddly enough, not traditionally- the Cheese stuffed Burek favoured by most of the Slavic peoples isnt too common there- the tartar influence meant that meat was always the favoured filling for this staple foodstuff in the region . Most non white cheeses were importeed from europe or the Ukraine. After the Crimea invasion and the resultant cheese embargo, the Russians began to fill the cheeese deficit by producing their own ersatz variations of established imported cheeses- to varying degrees of success. The whole cheese embargo issue is a story in itself.
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Raheem said:
That was the plan, but it seems like the plan is changing to not repealing the 1972 act, so that we remain subject to EU law implemented by the EU and, presumably, not at complete liberty to amend it as and when.
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Yeah this is a pretty big change, explained nicely by the FT. It was never *simple* to scrap all EU law and magically make it become UK law. Seems like they have finally woken up to that (I mean politicians - no doubt the Government Legal Service have been saying it from day one).
 
and according to the Chequers deal, still subject to EU State regulation. In which case how, exactly, are we "leaving the EU"? leaves us fighting with one hand behind our back. either leave or don't.

I voted remain, and remain of the opinion that we shouldn't leave, but if we are going to leave the EU we should leave properly. Hard Brexit is better than half Brexit. Late night drunken rant, but what I think. EU State aid regulation is a pile of feckin shit, designed to protect big business and nothing else. Fuck em.
 
MightyTibberton said:
And that's the change, I think.

No transition period is agreed yet. But Theresa May is legislating as if one has been - she is creating one without it being (quite) agreed in negotiation (the Irish backstop, the "divorce payment", the next steps...)

No Deal Brexit - as actually beloved of Rees Mogg's gang requires an actual crashing out: No Deal, no nothing, fuck you, "intransigent EU," the "Remoaner stab in the back...". And this has legislated that out of existence (has it been passed by everyone who needs to pass it...?)
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I think the legislation now in place basically delegates the power to repeal or not to repeal to the Prime Minister. So she still has to (a) remain in power and (b) not have her mind changed for her. However, I think it's an exaggeration to say that she has legislated no deal out of existence. Retaining the ECA is meaningless unless the UK has some special status after March which is recognised by the EU.
 
Darren Grimes is now appealing his fine from the Electoral Commission. Crowd funded, of course!

All the rights and wrongs of the arguments in the referendum aside it feels like Leave (and Banks) are desperately deflecting and dodging to get Brexit past that March date from which - realistically - there is no turning back.

I'm not a lawyer, but I reckon the report of Grimes' appeal in the Sun is libellous.
 
In looking up that story I had the exciting experience of a very rare visit to the Conservative Home website where the comments are great!:

"Just another sign of our Institutions declining to 3rd world levels of conduct.
Happy to donate (despite my own financial challenges) I would not miss helping you young man for anything.
Well at least we no longer have to listen to any International moralising from the Leftwing Remoaner idiots in Westminster whose political skills and abilities were clearly gleaned from great role-models such as Mugabe....
It's embarrassing when you consider these commies actually mock Trump. For all his faults he still stands taller than this tawdry toilet trash. Sigh its not even emotive - their lower evolutionary end behaviour is just to be expected now lol."

"The Electoral Commission is stuffed with remainers, when it should be politically neutral. Another biased organisation of the deep state. I will certainly be making a donation."

"The Electoral Commission is a totally unfit body, a kangaroo court worthy of a tin pot dictatorship.

We no longer have any independent institutions - police, civil service, judiciary are all stuffed with people bent on pursuing partisan agendas, and overwhelmingly one kind of partisan agenda."

"What sort of country has this become? Entire system a joke. Politicos at highest level lying to our face and expect us to lap it up. Tower Hamlets not an aberration, a harbinger.
Needs torn down and rebuilt. Cue Cromwell's great speech. I despise these people, and idiots like Raab only slightly less for acquiescing. Chipped in and good luck."

Poor oppressed conservative party.
 
Well, it was in response to news that a couple of Tory MPs (in the UK Parliament) are agitating to update the treason laws, mainly so that they can do ISIS fighters for treason.
 
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