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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?


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Incidentally I am consistently urging a workable and practical solution, and you may assume I am in denial, but I have yet to read on here anything that would be workable or practical.

Why should you expect to read anything here that would be workable or practical? This is a thread about whether brexit will actually happen.
 
Why should you expect to read anything here that would be workable or practical? This is a thread about whether brexit will actually happen.
In the absence of any particular definition of what brexit means then workable and practical is my choice.
Therefore it is as legitimate a definition as any other on this thread when discussing brexit isn't it?
So whether a practical and workable brexit will happen is legitimate...unless I am missing something and you have an alternative or improved definition of brexit...or even any definition at all.
 
In the absence of any particular definition of what brexit means then workable and practical is my choice.
Therefore it is as legitimate a definition as any other on this thread when discussing brexit isn't it?
So whether a practical and workable brexit will happen is legitimate...unless I am missing something and you have an alternative or improved definition of brexit...or even any definition at all.
it's taken me about 20 months to get 420 posts on this thread. looks like it'll take you fewer than 20 days.
 
Why should you expect to read anything here that would be workable or practical? This is a thread about whether brexit will actually happen.
He's here to tell anyone that voted leave that they are racist because we havn't considered the border issue in Ireland. Ignoring the fact that people voted in or out for various reasons and for reasons that affect them personally. He's banging the drum on the border issue because it's close to his heart (thats okay because it's me me me) but anyone else voting for personal reasons is the villian here.
 
He's here to tell anyone that voted leave that they are racist because we havn't considered the border issue in Ireland. Ignoring the fact that people voted in or out for various reasons and for reasons that affect them personally. He's banging the drum on the border issue because it's close to his heart (thats okay because it's me me me) but anyone else voting for personal reasons is the villian here.
 
He's here to tell anyone that voted leave that they are racist because we havn't considered the border issue in Ireland. Ignoring the fact that people voted in or out for various reasons and for reasons that affect them personally. He's banging the drum on the border issue because it's close to his heart (thats okay because it's me me me) but anyone else voting for personal reasons is the villian here.
Villain?
Do go on.
The 'me me me look at me' trope can be applied to anybody writing things on a messageboard on the internet.
All that leads to is mere opinion regarding degrees.
Your opinion is just that, like mine, the opinion of one individual.
Seeing as how you mention the border, can you suggest any practical and workable solution?
 
I was about to ask the same. Instead of just mouthing off.

I doubt he even knows what the border situation is.
 
Fuck all about the border on this
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It seems to me the only real solutions to the border issue are:
  • Full 'hard' border between the 6 counties and the rest of Ireland
  • Border in the Irish sea (preferably this side of the Isle of Man because they're weird)
  • A united Ireland
  • A shit border where people make the right noises but no one really gives a fuck (fudge option)
It'd be some sort of fudge I reckon but any of the above will leave some people pissed off, but there are no perfect solutions here. The situation is clearly not perfect at the moment so its just swapping one imperfect situation for another.

I'm convinced that in the medium term we will see an united Ireland and an independent Scotland. The best thing to do now would be to accept that reality and work under that assumption.
 
Solutions needed for Massive youth unemployment in europe, Eu refugee camps, Fruit pickers and labourers living 6 to a caravan, Roi being a tax haven for big business yet the workers don't benefit from this. I DEMAND immediate answers or i'll stick a guilt trip on you and call you racsist :mad:
 
If thats what you think you should expect no answer from me then.
I'm serious.

I don't think you know what the situation is re the border, where it is proposed to be, who is against it, how the tories tried to trick everyone and who caused this situation.

And I never expect an answer from you in this thread. A quick scan of your posts confirms that you're just a troll with nothing to contribute.

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Give me 25 reasons why you voted remain and i might think about it.
Solutions needed for Massive youth unemployment in europe, Eu refugee camps, Fruit pickers and labourers living 6 to a caravan, Roi being a tax haven for big business yet the workers don't benefit from this. I DEMAND immediate answers or i'll stick a guilt trip on you and call you racsist :mad:
Call me a racist then.
I don't feel guilt. Hatred yes, but guilt no.
I suppose I would feel guilty if I voted brexit.
 
Solutions needed for Massive youth unemployment in europe, Eu refugee camps, Fruit pickers and labourers living 6 to a caravan, Roi being a tax haven for big business yet the workers don't benefit from this. I DEMAND immediate answers or i'll stick a guilt trip on you and call you racsist :mad:
Don't forget the need for a solution to problems like the Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich, which is certainly related to the problem of RoI being a tax haven but is in truth a whole separate class of problems to itself that comes about due to unfettered trade access between EU nations. As fast as loopholes can be shut, tax lawyers and accountants come up with three more.
 
Solutions needed for Massive youth unemployment in europe, Eu refugee camps, Fruit pickers and labourers living 6 to a caravan, Roi being a tax haven for big business yet the workers don't benefit from this. I DEMAND immediate answers or i'll stick a guilt trip on you and call you racsist :mad:
The vote has been and gone and the brexiters won.
For that reason I feel no inclination to dance to your tune and provide you with 25 reasons why I voted remain.
 
The vote has been and gone and the brexiters won.
For that reason I feel no inclination to dance to your tune and provide you with 25 reasons why I voted remain.
That would only make sense if you now endorse Brexit. Otherwise, you still need to justify why you disagree with it, when disagreeing with Brexit means agreeing with staying in the EU and all its attendant problems.

And even then, it's illogical to say that people that cast a vote one way in a ballot need to have worked out solutions for all the problems associated with that vote, whilst those who cast their vote the other way don't need to have worked out any such solutions. The subsequent results of the vote are irrelevant to a judgement of the thought process involved in the vote. Either both sides need to justify themselves or neither do.
 
I disagree with brexit for reasons stated many times above. I voted remain for other reasons also stated above (for example not wanting to side with the Tories, the EU democracy being preferable to the UK one, because the concept of a sovereign UK is a fancy word to cover nationalism, because I wanted to signal to 'foreigners' that not everybody hates them).
None of my reasons matter because brexit won. Brexiters have got the people into this mess, and if they have no solutions, as far as I'm concerned they should have thought about that before voting.
 
I disagree with brexit for reasons stated many times above. I voted remain for other reasons also stated above (for example not wanting to side with the Tories, the EU democracy being preferable to the UK one, because the concept of a sovereign UK is a fancy word to cover nationalism, because I wanted to signal to 'foreigners' that not everybody hates them).
None of my reasons matter because brexit won. Brexiters have got the people into this mess, and if they have no solutions, as far as I'm concerned they should have thought about that before voting.
So all your reasons amount to voting AGAINST rather than voting FOR.

Well then, who should yes voters not also have voted AGAINST rather than FOR?
 
I disagree with brexit for reasons stated many times above. I voted remain for other reasons also stated above (for example not wanting to side with the Tories, the EU democracy being preferable to the UK one, because the concept of a sovereign UK is a fancy word to cover nationalism, because I wanted to signal to 'foreigners' that not everybody hates them).
None of my reasons matter because brexit won. Brexiters have got the people into this mess, and if they have no solutions, as far as I'm concerned they should have thought about that before voting.

Get over yourself you pompous twit.

I voted remain but this shit show is ours now. Anyway its just a different flavour of shit sandwich.
 
I disagree with brexit for reasons stated many times above. I voted remain for other reasons also stated above (for example not wanting to side with the Tories, the EU democracy being preferable to the UK one, because the concept of a sovereign UK is a fancy word to cover nationalism, because I wanted to signal to 'foreigners' that not everybody hates them).
None of my reasons matter because brexit won. Brexiters have got the people into this mess, and if they have no solutions, as far as I'm concerned they should have thought about that before voting.
yeh. you know there were tories campaigning for remain too, right? to be true to yourself you should have abstained.
 
So all your reasons amount to voting AGAINST rather than voting FOR.

Well then, who should yes voters not also have voted AGAINST rather than FOR?
My preference for the EU version of democracy is a FOR my desire to appear welcoming to 'foreigners' is a FOR. There are others that I didn't mention, like collaboration in others areas such as harmonisation and high standards in medicines. I didn't list them all because I said I wasn't going to dance to the 25 reasons tune demanded above.
Your question needs to be rephrased in order for me to understand what you're asking.
 
yeh. you know there were tories campaigning for remain too, right? to be true to yourself you should have abstained.
Your point is valid. I have associated myself very regrettably with some Tories, and I ought to have abstained. I saw it as an emergency to stand against Gove, Farage, Johnson, and the like.
However having voted I now see it as a ticket that validates my demand that the winners solve the problems they created.
Abstaining would probably have been a good decision, but there you go. I am prepared to accept responsibility for voting remain.
 
the eu version of democracy is imposing governments as occurred in e.g. italy and greece and forcing reruns of referenda as in e.g. denmark
Indeed.
However brexit won. We are under the constraints of the UK version of 'democracy' now.
That is the preference of those voting in the referendum, so the winners ought to suggest solutions to the problems they caused, in my view most especially the land border on the island of Ireland.
Time is running out.
 
Indeed.
However brexit won.
That is the preference of those voting in the referendum, so the winners ought to suggest solutions to the problems they caused, in my view most especially the land border on the island of Ireland.
Time is running out.
i think you'll find that the brexiteers did not cause the land border on the island of ireland which is rather down to the likes of david lloyd george and winston spencer churchill.
 
i think you'll find that the brexiteers did not cause the land border on the island of ireland which is rather down to the likes of david lloyd george and winston spencer churchill.
I agree with you. Brexiters did not cause the establishment of the six counties and the death and pain it has caused. However the combination of both countries being in the EU, and the Good Friday Agreement has reduced the death and pain considerably.
Brexiters have now put the recent years of peace and harmony and efforts at collaboration at risk.
 
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