Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Anju]

You appear to be in a fantasy world where the massive divisions in the Tory ranks are still very much there and are regularly reported on. They've no idea what and where they're at. Meanwhile, Labour are resurgent again.

Though I suspect it must fucking hurt for you liberals that Corbyn is now backing brexit as official policy too. Will you be off to the austerity-enabling Lib Dems for consolation?

If there was an election tomorrow I would vote Labour. Trouble is that's not going to happen.

It does pain me that there is currently no party offering a feasible option for people who would prefer to stay in the EU.

Does it not worry you that there could be a Tory brexit followed by austerity xxl, destruction of the NHS and more trickle up economics.

That's my fear and if Labour are the only defence against that there is a good chance of it becoming reality.

 

[pocketscience]

Yes I think this is the most likely in the long term but could take 5-10 years to negotiate. A long transition period would help. Not sure if this is politically possible.

it's been agreed by both sides as the main objective since day one (or at least when they agreed on the A50 negotiation roadmap). Barnier said he wanted to push trade agreement negotiations to phase 2, after the divorce bill settlement negotiations (last years "the sky's falling in" story) but I cant recall him ever saying it was off the table. So that's where we are now. I'm not even aware that any of the other fall back options have ever been seriously considered by the negotiations teams. They surface as posturing and threats (mostly in the biased media outlets), but I don't recall seeing any official pitch for them from either side.
I'd assume a longer transition will also be agreed too, to accommodate that 5-10 years you mention.

 

[NoXion]

The EU has done precisely dick to stop austerity. In fact they've done their own bit of belt-tightening. Around the neck of Greece.

 

[pocketscience]

Or finish in the situation where 'no deal is better than a bad deal'.
What then?

You seem to be of the lazy, arrogant opinion that the UK would have be absolved of having to make any tough negotiations with the EU in the future if remain had won and we were still in the european union.

More specifically, I have raised the issues of the Irish border in debate before the referendum, and continually ever since. Including directly in hustings face to face before last years election, and in writing to my MP.
I don't know if that qualifies as activity, but it qualifies as a bit of experience.

I reckon you're one of the "I'm alright jack" north west europeans that have been creaming off the spoils while the southern nations have been arse raped by austerity.
It would be nice to see all the "activity" you've been doing. Letters to MPs, MEPs, Mr Junker, Schaeuble, Dijstelbloem et al, raising your concerns of starving family's , rises in infant mortality rates, youth unemployment at over 50% . Was you flexing your democratic muscles in Brussels? I bet you didn't give a shit.
Oh but the irish border... lamb tariffs... Boris's mates... ffs zzz

 

[Streathamite]

evidently capital in northern European countries outside of the EU is doing well for itself..

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every one of them in the SM and CU, and that is crucial to them?

 

[pocketscience]

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every one of them in the SM and CU, and that is crucial to them?

norway isnt in a CU

 

[Streathamite]

norway isnt in a CU

ahhh...I stand corrected

 

[philosophical]

You seem to be of the lazy, arrogant opinion that the UK would have be absolved of having to make any tough negotiations with the EU in the future if remain had won and we were still in the european union.

Your perception is wrong. As is the reality. Remain didn't win.

I reckon you're one of the "I'm alright jack" north west europeans that have been creaming off the spoils while the southern nations have been arse raped by austerity.
It would be nice to see all the "activity" you've been doing. Letters to MPs, MEPs, Mr Junker, Schaeuble, Dijstelbloem et al, raising your concerns of starving family's , rises in infant mortality rates, youth unemployment at over 50% . Was you flexing your democratic muscles in Brussels? I bet you didn't give a shit.
Oh but the irish border... lamb tariffs... Boris's mates... ffs zzz

Like your activity eh?

While we're on the subject of reckoning, I reckon you are one of the young over indulged 'me' generation, with a sense of entitlement, posturing over others with your faux concern, reacting to dreadful events by becoming all the more shrill, whilst doing nothing at all of any practical use to anybody, except you and your ego.

I might be wrong though.

 

[pocketscience]

Like your activity eh?

While we're on the subject of reckoning, I reckon you are one of the young over indulged 'me' generation, with a sense of entitlement, posturing over others with your faux concern, reacting to dreadful events by becoming all the more shrill, whilst doing nothing at all of any practical use to anybody, except you and your ego.

I might be wrong though.

Pish. Your "look at me" show rudely interrupted an ongoing discussion here people were having about the irish border - you know the topic you've been writing to your MP about for years (faux concern) and there's you for 20 odd pages now not even having the decency to interact on the topic but drowning it out... with your shrill reaction to events that ... well... add nothing at all of any practical use to anybody...
like a bullshitter in a china shop.

 

[philosophical]

Pish. Your "look at me" show rudely uninterrupted an ongoing discussion here people were having about the irish border - you know the topic you've been writing to your MP about for years (faux concern) and there's you for 20 odd pages now not even having the decency to interact on the topic but drowning it out... with you're shrill reaction to events that ... well... add nothing at all of any practical use to anybody...
like a bullshitter in a china shop.

I doubt getting the facts straight matters very much to you, but not once have I said I have been writing to my MP 'for years'.
You and your mates are drowning out an alternative perspective by abuse and snide remarks with every intention of diverting away from discussion of any practical issue, in order to line up and attempt. to censor a perspective that doesn't fit in with your world view.
That you lecture me on decency in this place especially is hypocrisy writ large, there are those on here whose idea of 'interaction' is on the level of 'fuck off you cunt'. Your own form of abuse is to 'reckon' stuff about me that you don't have a clue about, but your eager attempt to stratify fits in with somebody who is strong on posturing, but weak on substance.
Your shrill concern for the oppressed may seem to you to validate your existence, but your rank hypocrisy cancels out any smidgen of genuine sensitivity towards those who suffer.
You are the bullshitter who carries their own china shop around with them, with a look at me placard stapled to a splintering bit of wood in case anybody misses you.
'Decency' FFS, 'rudeness' FFS, are you for real?
Ignore me, and then I won't need to remind you of your duplicitous hypocrisy, that would certainly be a good outcome all round.

PS do you mean 'interrupted', or 'uninterrupted'?

 

[pocketscience]

I doubt getting the facts straight matters very much to you, but not once have I said I have been writing to my MP 'for years'.
You and your mates are drowning out an alternative perspective by abuse and snide remarks with every intention of diverting away from discussion of any practical issue, in order to line up and attempt. to censor a perspective that doesn't fit in with your world view.
That you lecture me on decency in this place especially is hypocrisy writ large, there are those on here whose idea of 'interaction' is on the level of 'fuck off you cunt'. Your own form of abuse is to 'reckon' stuff about me that you don't have a clue about, but your eager attempt to stratify fits in with somebody who is strong on posturing, but weak on substance.
Your shrill concern for the oppressed may seem to you to validate your existence, but your rank hypocrisy cancels out any smidgen of genuine sensitivity towards those who suffer.
You are the bullshitter who carries their own china shop around with them, with a look at me placard stapled to a splintering bit of wood in case anybody misses you.
'Decency' FFS, 'rudeness' FFS, are you for real?
Ignore me, and then I won't need to remind you of your duplicitous hypocrisy, that would certainly be a good outcome all round.

PS do you mean 'interrupted', or 'uninterrupted'?

fuck off you cunt

 

[philosophical]

fuck off you cunt

That's a roll back. A couple of days ago I was a 'shitcunt', surely there should be some progression up your 'rudeness' and 'decency' scale.

 

[stethoscope]

You do seem to have a huge lack of awareness though @philosophical. There was a discussion going on here (if a bit circular at times) until you rudely stomped in with your size nines and we've had 20 pages of this self-important, hard of thinking shit from you now completely taking over.

 

[pocketscience]

wow, first time I've put someone on ignore. The thread looks normal again.
but with a kind of digital smell in the room. scanner darkly-esque

 

[teqniq]

just lol

David Davis says Britain and EU disagree on so many aspects of planned Brexit transition deal he cannot remember them all

 

[philosophical]

You seem to have a huge lack of awareness though philosophical. There was a discussion going on here (if a bit circular at times) until you rudely stomped in with your size nines and we've had 20 pages of this self-important shit from you.

The so called self important shit hasn't been the whole twenty pages though, there has also been the abuse and hypocrisy from many posters here. And amusingly I get lectured on decency and proper behaviour from those same hypocrites.
Yes I am certainly a latecomer on here, and was naive in not realising that it was a closed community that wasn't open to the perspective of another person. I have not stopped anybody from discussing anything by the way, unless of course this community is so weedy and startled that anyone could pitch up, not conforming to mysterious rules you have spread amongst yourselves in some kind of morphic manner, and cause a halt to your discourse.

 

[teqniq]

troll = 0/10

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

The so called self important shit hasn't been the whole twenty pages though

 

[sealion]

troll = 0/10

Yep. A shit, boring repetitive one to boot.

 

[JimW]

Yes I am certainly a latecomer on here, and was naive in not realising that it was a closed community that wasn't open to the perspective of another person.

Trouble is it's a ten-a-penny perspective available in a million media outlets that you can only repeat and not back up in any argument, with a big old larding of misunderstood terms chucked in to drag it down a bit further. Shame, as otherwise I was going to tell you my ten-point foolproof plan for the Irish border.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every one of them in the SM and CU, and that is crucial to them?

I knew someone would pull me up on that though but his sort even behave as if EFTA would be the end of days NO SEAT AT THE TABLE OMG

 

[philosophical]

Trouble is it's a ten-a-penny perspective available in a million media outlets that you can only repeat and not back up in any argument, with a big old larding of misunderstood terms chucked in to drag it down a bit further. Shame, as otherwise I was going to tell you my ten-point foolproof plan for the Irish border.

Stick me on ignore like the other geezer then.

 

[philosophical]

Yep. A shit, boring repetitive one to boot.

It seems there is an ignore facility available here, you and the others ought to use it.
Or you could try closing your eyes, sticking fingers in your ears and wailing whah whah whah, but I imagine the ignore button might be easier.

 

[not-bono-ever]

anyway, you've had some fun on here for the past couple of days. Thats what matters.Welcome aboard.

What is your take on baked potatoes- Cheese or beans first ? this is important

 

[teqniq]

 

[philosophical]

anyway, you've had some fun on here for the past couple of days. Thats what matters.Welcome aboard.

What is your take on baked potatoes- Cheese or beans first ? this is important

Depends on the cheese if you're asking me.

 

[not-bono-ever]

I rest my case

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Depends on the cheese if you're asking me.

Typical liberal. You've got to commit to a particular theory of cheese/beans on here, and be prepared to defend yourself against deluded fundamentalists of the opposite stripe.

(It's fucking cheese then beans)

 

[not-bono-ever]

Hoisted by his own petard.

 

[philosophical]

Typical liberal. You've got to commit to a particular theory of cheese/beans on here, and be prepared to defend yourself against deluded fundamentalists of the opposite stripe.

(It's fucking cheese then beans)

I am wary. I have disclosed personal information on here already and had it thrown back in the form of snide remarks.
However I will be brave and say that first and foremost the cheese has to be vegetarian.

hashtagthecuntsafuckingvegetarianaswell