Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[DotCommunist]

the corn fields were only ever ephemeral, some remembered for you wholesale glitching flashes. But there never was a cornfield.


Loving Dexter giving it J'accuse from his saltire draped palace

 

[butchersapron]

What goes through a middle class persons mind when they see a white person on a motability vehicle?

 

[Wilf]

"Hi Saint Peter, just about the only thing I have to own up to is the referendum and all that racism I personally caused"
- Oh, don't worry about that. It's the chickens thing that we have to look at.

 

[butchersapron]

Outside a wetherspoons say

 

[kabbes]

What goes through a middle class persons mind when they see a white person on a motability vehicle?

Depends if they step out in front of it without noticing, in which case the answer is "the motability vehicle".

 

[DexterTCN]

...17m kippers and right wing Tories? 17 million explicit racists and Britain firsters? Well, if that's the case, we're all lost, forever. But then that's not the reality is it?...

No it isn't reality, it's also not what I said.

I've already posted the voting breakdown, you obviously didn't read it.

There's no dialogue here, is there.

 

[butchersapron]

Depends if they step out in front of it without noticing, in which case the answer is "the motability vehicle".

In which case i feel you not experiencing life the way our love of wisdom is.

 

[butchersapron]

No it isn't reality, it's also not what I said.

I've already posted the voting breakdown, you obviously didn't read it.

There's no dialogue here, is there.

You didn't read it - it showed that you were 100% wrong. Comical.

 

[Pickman's model]

No it isn't reality,

you couldn't handle reality

 

[butchersapron]

The many lies of yet to happen edit in wings here

 

[Smangus]

What goes through a middle class persons mind when they see a white person on a motability vehicle?

Benidorm.

 

[andysays]

And here is the WTO on this topic.

OK, having read that and the Bogdanor article which Pickman's model linked to, I accept that I was mistaken and that it's the WTO rules as well as the EU's demands that any nation wanting MFN status must accept the other criteria (like free movement and identical standards and regulations) which would necessitate a hard Irish border if agreement couldn't be reached.

Here, for what it's worth, is the article I referred to earlier where the Irish Foreign Minister talked explicitly about the need for a hard border to protect the EU's market.
Brexit: Dublin casts doubt on UK's latest NI border plan

The EU is unlikely to accept the UK's latest proposal for avoiding a "hard border" on the island of Ireland after Brexit, the Irish government has said. Theresa May has said 80% of firms would face no new customs checks between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic and others would be simplified. But Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney said he was not sure it would adequately protect the EU's market.

 

[philosophical]

nothing has been made manifest, which is why there's such confusion

Unless you agree stuff like confusion constitutes a manifestation.

 

[sealion]

Schools out

 

[Anju]

Nice to see the politically principled are still holding out for a miracle. You do know James Stewart is dead?

Here are some links relating to either good stuff the EU does, addressing deliberately held misconceptions and and on shit stuff to do with the UK domestic issues. I would love to be reassured that there is hope for the good things to be replicated or improved post brexit, the misconceptions to be replaced with actions that will benefit normal people and the shitty things about UK domestic policy to be reversed.

The screenshots are from the leave eu Facebook page. We're not racist we just post 4 or 5 times more comments on things that are not related to the EU if they're about non white people. If you care to visit their page and look at the comments they include all the leave voters in their number. 17.4 million . The will of the people still seems pretty racist to me.

Yes I realise that Leave EU are not representative of all leave voters but the leave campaign pandered to their fears and desires without the need to make any concessions to people who may have been offended by those views, so it seems reasonable to assume that a sizeable majority of leave voters have no problem with a bit of xenophobia.




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When a post has nothing to do with brexit but features the wrong sort of people.



Tories are currently pulling themselves together now Labour are looking like a threat. Labour are probably going to start fighting over single market access. Somehow a reasonable number of the population are happy with the way negotiations are going.

As things stand, with just over a year to go things look exactly as they did just post referendum. A big old lurch to the right with a catastrophic, for the NHS especially, trade deal with the US pushed through in time for the Tories to win the next election because any trade deal no matter how damaging to the interests of us will be spun as proof the Tories got everything right.

All the problems the government have faced have been self inflicted. Incompetent as they are they are more than capable of putting their differences aside for the sake of remaining in power. If that wasn't an overriding motivated the 48 letters would have been sent by now and Rees-Mogg would be PM.

 

[philosophical]

Yep. Or like remainers finding common cause with Blair, Cameron, Osbourne, May, Merkel, Macron and Juncker. Not to mention Carillion, Amazon, Starbucks, Google, Apple and every other multinational you care to name.
Or, for that matter, like employees finding common cause with their CEO.
Or like pretty much anybody in a pension scheme finding common cause with, say, Imperial Tobacco.

Isn't modern consumer-capitalism just wonderful in its common causes?

Personally I don't think so, however as you point out sometimes people act in concert, and a lot of people acted in concert with the alt right when voting for brexit, and they won.

 

[sealion]

Personally I don't think so, however as you point out sometimes people act in concert, and a lot of people acted in concert with the alt right when voting for brexit, and they won.

Back on the racist shit again

 

[philosophical]

Back on the racist shit again

Back on the unimaginative snide shit again.

 

[sealion]

Back on the unimaginative snide shit again.

That's not snide. Your post is another snidey veiled reference to racism, but you know that, it's all you have.

 

[philosophical]

That's not snide. Your post is another snidey veiled reference to racism, but you know that, it's all you have.

All I have?

Is this really happening?

 

[kabbes]

Personally I don't think so, however as you point out sometimes people act in concert, and a lot of people acted in concert with the alt right when voting for brexit, and they won.

A lot of people acted in concert with the alt-right when they voted remain too, because the alt-right swings both ways. More to the point, though, everybody who voted remain (including me) most definitely acted in concert with the traditional right wing, ie capital, who were and are very firmly in favour of a big EU superstate. Why do you think the likes of Soros is now funding a campaign to reverse the decision? Because he’s turned suddenly socialist?

This Brexit debate simply doesn’t boil down to bedfellows, because there are shits everywhere you look.

 

[philosophical]

A lot of people acted in concert with the alt-right when they voted remain too, because the alt-right swings both ways. More to the point, though, everybody who voted remain (including me) most definitely acted in concert with the traditional right wing, ie capital, who were and are very firmly in favour of a big EU superstate. Why do you think the likes of Soros is now funding a campaign to reverse the decision? Because he’s turned suddenly socialist?

This Brexit debate simply doesn’t boil down to bedfellows, because there are shits everywhere you look.

However the brexit debate is now over isn't it? The results in and everything?
So as somebody pointed out above, brexiters want to now wash their hands of the consequences of their actions when they say it is now up to somebody else to sort it all out.
The EU superstate is defeated, but the Irish border question is a stark reality staring brexiters in the face, and for many, possibly all, those brexiters say it isn't their problem.
I think it is, the EU is the thing that isn't their problem any more, that ship has sailed, the practical realities and consequences are the brexiters problem.
Anyway for brexiters it is easy to continue to lash out rather than provide solutions.

 

[kabbes]

You’re the one lashing out. You’ve come on this thread and declared all Brexiters to be racists and that you hate them. If that isn’t lashing out, what is?

And in what way is the EU superstate defeated? It grows ever stronger. Why are you so keen to endorse its direction of travel?

 

[philosophical]

You’re the one lashing out. You’ve come on this thread and declared all Brexiters to be racists and that you hate them. If that isn’t lashing out, what is?

And in what way is the EU superstate defeated? It grows ever stronger. Why are you so keen to endorse its direction of travel?

No I didn't 'declare' as you put it. I framed it as a question.
If saying that I hate those who voted brexit is lashing out that is your interpretation. For me it is a statement of fact, I do hate them.

 

[philosophical]

You’re the one lashing out. You’ve come on this thread and declared all Brexiters to be racists and that you hate them. If that isn’t lashing out, what is?

And in what way is the EU superstate defeated? It grows ever stronger. Why are you so keen to endorse its direction of travel?

I would prefer the direction of travel of the EU, to that of the UK. Prefer doesn't make me 'keen' necessarily, but as a choice between the two institutions the EU is my preference.

 

[butchersapron]

Tories are currently pulling themselves together now Labour are looking like a threat. Labour are probably going to start fighting over single market access. Somehow a reasonable number of the population are happy with the way negotiations are going.

As things stand, with just over a year to go things look exactly as they did just post referendum. A big old lurch to the right with a catastrophic, for the NHS especially, trade deal with the US pushed through in time for the Tories to win the next election because any trade deal no matter how damaging to the interests of us will be spun as proof the Tories got everything right.

All the problems the government have faced have been self inflicted. Incompetent as they are they are more than capable of putting their differences aside for the sake of remaining in power. If that wasn't an overriding motivated the 48 letters would have been sent by now and Rees-Mogg would be PM.

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[butchersapron]

I would prefer the direction of travel of the EU, to that of the UK. Prefer doesn't make me 'keen' necessarily, but as a choice between the two institutions the EU is my preference.

Where is the EU heading?

 

[philosophical]

Where is the EU heading?

Read above, that ship has sailed and wherever it is heading is not relevant compared to where the UK is heading.
Now, about the Irish border, have you thought up any solutions yet?

 

[kabbes]

No I didn't 'declare' as you put it. I framed it as a question.

ORLY??

I see brexit voters as racists, and it is those ones I hate.

Where’s the question in that, then?

If saying that I hate those who voted brexit is lashing out that is your interpretation. For me it is a statement of fact, I do hate them.

Yes, saying you hate people is indeed lashing out. Not to mention an interesting parallel with the manifestation of racism.

 

[philosophical]

ORLY??

Where’s the question in that, then?
Yes, saying you hate people is indeed lashing out. Not to mention an interesting parallel with the manifestation of racism.

You're right there. To have a blanket hatred for brexiters has a clear overlap with any blanket hatred, like for a certain race. There is a difference though, I hate brexiters for what they do, I should say 'done'.